OnTheWayOut

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  PIMO elder

  by Reservations in

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  i’m reservations, pimo elder.

  i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?

  any ideas?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this? Any ideas?
  Reservations

  If they see you immediately resign as an elder and then stop going to meetings, they might realize they can do that too. And yes, I am being serious.
  
  Okay, you say you are in no position to leave. If you insist. But at least resign as an elder stating stress or whatever or not even offering a reason. (Just say, "I haven't sinned, but I need to work on my own spirituality.")
  During COVID 19 shut down might be a great time for that.
  
  Enjoy life as a less-involved observer. Others might be inspired.
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  It takes a while, but eventually a person finds his way out.

  by pistolpete in

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  it hard to believe------you don't have the truth.. sometimes, for many----it takes half of your life -- or more---to figure it out.

  it was like swimming upstream with lead boots pulling you back in.

  and the closer you got to the "real" truth----the further away you strayed from your intimate group.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Sometimes, for many----it takes HALF of your life -- or more---to figure it out

  I told a good friend that his grandkids might grow up and come find him when they leave that crappy religion, probably as young adults if not sooner.

  It's just sad that there are some that never figure it out. I don't know what would wake up my JW relatives. If Anthony Morris shot someone on 5th Avenue, I doubt that would deter them. But as time goes on and the end is not yet, I see my die-hard relatives allowing the religion to be less and less important. I can settle for that I guess.
  
  
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  Are you still a JW?

  by Iamallcool in

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  which one do you prefer?

  zoom meetings or at the kingdom hall?

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  OnTheWayOut

  I get your question, but to someone not attending it's
  
  Pick your poison.
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  Will there be enough good questions on JWD now that minimus is gone?

  by slimboyfat in

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  a thread in honour of our departed friend minimus.

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  OnTheWayOut

  If I said there weren't enough good questions before Minumus was gone, would you all recognize that's a tribute and a dig at the same time?
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  The Impact of Less "Appointed Men" & This Site Thank You

  by JWTom in

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  with the passing minimus, we all may think about what this site has meant to us personally.

  i lurked here for quite a few years before becoming active as a poster....still i consider what i have done to be very slight compared with others.

  may minimus rest in peace and a big thank you to all that have helped me here over the years.. a new member that is a pimo elder (reservations) posted here about how he could wake people up while remaining a pimo elder.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I have to agree with Simon. I faded over a period longer than a year to try to help my wife out. I resigned as an elder right away and then cut back on attending until it was time to just stop. It did not work. My wife is very much a JW to this day. I maintain a relationship with JW family because I am not disfellowshipped. But the same result would have been achieved if I just up and quit, walked away.
  
  Everyone has to figure out what's best for them. Having family still in, especially close family, is a huge factor. But many might be best off just walking away and just having the "inactive" status.
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  No more Questions from MINIMUS

  by was a new boy in

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  minimus former jw, prolific poster on jwn died.. minimus.

  joined 19 years ago.

  started 4,139 topics.

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  OnTheWayOut

  A minimus is: a creature or being that is the smallest or least significant.
  
  Our Minimus was full of the least significant questions, but they added up to great content.
  
  R.I.P. Minimus.
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  If God exists, what would be a good reason why he never communicates or helps his creation by intervention?

  by pistolpete in

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  you have probably heard all kinds of excuses why god doesn’t communicates with his creation or why he doesn’t intervene.. some examples.. no one can see god because he is a spirit.. but we can hear god---yet he chooses not to talk to humanity.. god only communicates with certain people.

  moses, samuel, abraham, etc.

  but there are many people today who also claim that god spoke to them yet we ignore them but believe god spoke to people who lived thousands of years ago and we can’t really verify if that was so.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Coming up with excuses for a God who isn't there?
  
  How about "He isn't there." ?
  
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  Which Group is More Goofy?

  by Overrated in

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  which group do you find more goofy?

  jw's?

  mormons?

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  OnTheWayOut

  If Rubber Mouth- Stephen Lett or Russell M. Nelson (president of LDS) were to
  “....stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody,” I bet they would lose members.
  
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  Is the Bible of extraterrestrial origin?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  highly illuminating video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkhdyhmolmw.

  i thought these bible cryptologists were all nuts.

  this guy changed my mind..

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  OnTheWayOut

  Once he said there are 66 books in an "integrated message," I stopped.
  
  The Bible is not an integrated message even if you limit it to the Protestant Bible and it certainly would be too much of a stretch to say it is integrated if you put the apocrypha in there.
  
  The Bible is the interpretation of whichever group is pushing its agenda, including which books to include.
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  The Truth about the Truth

  by Iamallcool in

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  if jw wants to know the truth about the truth, what will you talk about first?

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  OnTheWayOut

  People have to be ready to listen. I would try discussing "the generation" that will not pass away and start with saying, "Do you really accept the 'overlapping generation' ?"
  
  For decades, the 'generation' was people old enough to understand what happened in 1914, so they would at least have had to have been older children. When the time was about to expire, the 'generation' was tweaked to be anyone born by 1914 and they pretended it was always that way. When the time was getting close to expiration in 1995, they released it to an unknown variable. When the members didn't see enough urgency in that, they restored the 'generation' to a connection with 1914 and created the 'overlapping generation.' Can you explain that? (That 'overlapping generation' includes the life span of people that knew people born prior to 1914. They indicate the first part would be people old enough to understand things in 1914, and the second part (overlap) would include people who significantly knew that first part, but we all know it will be stretched to say the first part had to be born by 1914 and the overlap could have barely lived at the same time.)
  
  I doubt many would let me say any of that without running away or interrupting constantly.