Posts by OnTheWayOut

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

Crazyguy, that is a good point. Do you know (since it was your post I refer to above) if the surge that killed 22 killed them at the Kingdom Hall?

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

millie, yes. They are two-faced about the buildings. Good point about them being "just buildings" once they get rid of them.

runForever, I do not know whether they were told about staying or not. I don't suggest they were told to stay and seek protection in their KH. I do suggest they didn't leave like they should have if there were really a decent pre-planned effort. I have a strong suspicion that the video says there was an effort to answer to those that say there wasn't one, but they say only that they texted the elders because they really didn't do anything else. I imagine some elders were texted by someone like a C.O. or D.O. and told to get out if they can.

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

Notice this, previously said about the storm and the poor decisions of JW's from
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/279535/they-died-because-they-stayed

The government had told people in these areas to get out but the JW's stayed for thier Thursday night meetings and then spent the night in thier kingdom halls to weather out the storm. Two of the 3 congregations even though their halls were destroyed they all survived but the third a hall in the worst hit area was not so lucky. A storm surge of water killed 22, in all 43 died. Despite the gb's spin if all the JW's would have listened to the authorities and left they would all have survived. But hey jehovah will protect esspecially if your in one of his holy kingdom halls. This is why this cult really scares me.

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

I have a 2011 New Year Resolution to avoid reading JW literature or watch their videos.
I am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when I read the stuff.

Well, someone posted their video of Philippines Disaster Relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda. I watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with JW's and their leadership and, as I figured- I was angered.

So I will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading. It just isn't worth it.

In the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate. Now, I know the elders should text EVERYONE ELSE, but the video doesn't mention that. The video is lying about it anyway. If they had pre-planned the way the video leads you to believe, they should have been able to tell everyone where to go, helped them get there.

One family, held out as an example, empties their refrigerator of FOOD to put their precious literature in there. Apparently, that's the strongest/heaviest/safest box in the house. What a load of crap. After the disaster, they could get more literature later should it all be ruined.

One family, not moved or helped in any way before the storm, on their own sought refuge at a Kingdom Hall. God didn't protect that building as the sea water swept through it. One older woman was swept out and the Kingdom Hall floated several meters, but the year text strengthened the woman's son and everyone survived. While they do not say Jehovah did that, it is implied.

At the Guiuan Congregation, Jehovah did not prevent the roof from blowing off the Kingdom Hall where many were taking refuge. The brothers put the plastic chairs over their heads to protect themselves inside the hall from roof materials and they ALL survived. Another Kingdom Hall had one last standing wall where members survived by crowding against it.

More than 6200 lost their lives. 33 were JW's. (They lead you to believe that 10 more JW's are missing and probably dead.) I am pretty sure that's supposed to sound like Jehovah DID protect the Witnesses. but that just seems like a statistical norm. They show Mark Sanderson of the GB coming after the disaster, and, earlier in the video, they made sure that he took a video/photo op with a little girl that lost her whole family and home. The elders told her it was okay to cry and made sure she got right back to the meetings.

I won't belittle their humanitarian efforts after the storm. That's because caring people made sure that suffering people got help. But the video leaves out how Watchtower has to approve any outsiders visiting and how much money they get in disaster donations versus how much they spend. The district overseer credited Jehovah for the relief efforts of people. Mark Sanderson said the great faith got them through the aftermath. Makes you assume all other groups must have just perished.

Anyway, here's the video, also found at http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/video-philippines-typhoon-haiyan-survivors/:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlbNB7HaN8I

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Jesus Saves From What? March 2015 Watchtower Article

by Perry in

i just skimmed the titled article on jw.org and once again the watchtower is misdirecting:.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20150301/jesus-death-and-resurrection/ .

they try and make the old case that jesus saves us from being destroyed at armageddon.

OnTheWayOut

Perry, I hope you can feel the caring concern here- Several pages of people trying to wake you up. I am confident that we are not here just to pick a fight with you, but to help you.
Your posted video on page 4 should really help in that goal. Your own beliefs show that your God doesn't care in the least what people do that is good, but that they must "believe" something dogmatically or they are bad. So your own belief system condemns at least 2/3rds of all children because they are born into non-Christian beliefs. Chinese and Indian children are "bad."

However aside from all this, vs. 18 makes it clear exactly what Jesus saves us from. And, it is not from being destroyed at Armageddon. Jesus saves us from being officially condemned at judgment after we die.

Now, here is my attempt to wake you up. NO, PERRY. Jehovah's Witnesses claim that their message is clear from the Bible and you are no different. The Bible is not "clear exactly" in anything. The form of Christianity you live is no more clear than the form of Christianity that Ethiopians live or that American Baptists or Roman Catholics live.

You are told a completely different set of values/rules/doctrines than the one you left, but ones that are just as rigid and that tug at your emotions in similar ways. You have traded "Believe or Jehovah will destroy you at Armageddon" for the new declaration: "Accept Jesus a certain way or be judged and condemned." (Pick on "condemned" all you want. I just don't know the specifics of your religion, whether people are eternally destroyed or suffer in hellfire for eternity or what, but it doesn't really matter.)

It literally is as already posted here:

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The "5 Pillars" of Witness life...

by stuckinarut2 in

oh, there is one brother that keeps prattling on about "the 5 pillars of faith and worship".

- prayer.

- personal study.

OnTheWayOut

- prayer

Must be in harmony with Jehovah's Will. The literature and videos from jw . org will tell you what that is.

- personal study

.....which of course means primarily to be reading Watchtower literature.

-meeting attendance and participation

Participation means commenting in harmony with whatever the literature says. It does not mean questioning and it definitely does not mean commenting off the top of your head.

-field service

They don't care how productive your "service" is, how many Tim Horton's/Starbucks/McDonald's breaks you take or if you just have a good conversation standing next to a cart. But you still gotta turn in a minimum amount of time to show that you are dedicating your life to the organization.

- and something else equally forgettable.....

Maybe that was to believe any nonsense the Governing Body says or to live as if the end is "soon."

Edited to add:

They used to liken the five meetings to our five fingers.

I now only have one finger for Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Beads and Tight Jeans APPROVED Service Attire For a Brother?

by sparky1 in

many, many, many posters here have wondered what happened to the religion that they were raised in or baptized into 20 or more years ago.

i just got the shock of my life on jw(dot) org.tv!

there is a video testimonial of an american indian witness that was inactive for many years and has now begun to preach again.

OnTheWayOut

How in the world do they put such a video on the same website that Tight Pants Tony contributes to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzGzvCZswsI

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DC2015 New Release: Brochure "Return to Jehovah" for those who faded/left

by Designer Stubble in

it appears that a new 16-page brochure, with the title "return to jehovah" is to be released at the regional convention (dc) this year.

it would be written specifically for those faded or da/df.chapters are:a letter from the governing body1.

the lost one i will search for2.

OnTheWayOut

It would be written specifically for those faded or DA/DF.

Great, now someone might just try to reactivate me. NAH!!!!!! It's like others have said- appearances only.

The C.O. said they were to "snatch me out of the fire." They didn't try for more than one effort to get me back. They won't try now either.

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Dating After Leaving?

by Garrett in

hey guys,.

this is going to be a topic of a different nature.

so, while i am not looking to date at the current moment since i'm still trying to figure out who i am and what i want life, i do want to start dating in the near future.. my issue is that i've been in for almost all my life and it's left a big hole when it comes to my romantic life.. i was wondering, after leaving, did any of you date?

OnTheWayOut

Dating. Man oh man. Ex-JW's are all over the map.

I don't know how e-harmony matched such a wonderful person as Mrs. Flipper with Mr. Flipper but maybe it would do the same for you. (Just kidding and jabbing at one of my best friends.)

I am not dating because I remain married to my JW wife. But I have seen ex-JW's find other ex-JW's and I have seen them strike out in other areas. In most cases, it seems that people move on to the area of life they are most comfortable with. Some are most comfortable going back out into the world and making friends via other ex-JW's via meetup.com groups of ex-JW or other places where ex-JW's meet together. Most seem to find a mate through their other ways of trying to be "normal" again- joining classes or groups that share an interest. Most seem to share their JW experience after a couple of dates because it is important to them and they don't want to waste their time with someone who won't see it as "important" to them.

Again, Mrs. Flipper is a great example. She reached out to the jw . com community on this forum and tried to learn about us. She loves learning and sharing with us about our ex-JW experience even though she was not involved at the time. She does that in order to share her husband's life more fully. While you won't (maybe) find someone like that, if you are asking if you should share the experience, it probably means you need to share it. Good luck.

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My father is a fg ae

by Butyoucanneverleave in

this is my first post.

i just had to get that statement off of my chest!

my father is one cold hearted judge mental, hypocritical, piece of s**t. i hate this religion and what it has done to my family!

OnTheWayOut

Official welcome to you, a long-time reader, first-time poster.

You have checked out of the Hotel-Jehovah's-Witnesses but you can never truly leave because of your family ties. I would like to make an excuse for your father, but I cannot. I don't know him at all and whether he is just another victim of the cult or a willing "flaming ashpile" (that is what you meant, isn't it?).

He just might be another one who could say "We are all just prisoners here, of our own device"

I hope you feel welcome to vent here and that some help is found. See you around the water cooler.