Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Do you agreed with Ben Carson, Muslim should not become president??

by James Mixon in

i do believe islam conflicts with constitution.

your thoughts.

OnTheWayOut

I know that B. Obama is probably a fake Christian. No, not a closet Muslim, but a closet atheist.

I strongly believed Romney should lose based on his being in a cult, and I strongly object to fundy Christians trying to impose their beliefs on their administration. So, on the subject of Muslim president, I have to be consistent. Islam is very anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-symbols. I could get over the symbols, but not the other two with all the progress this country has made. Half the population would be secondary citizens if Islam had their way.

I also know the presidential power is limited, so we would survive Romney or Mohammad Smith being president.

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That's it! The Jesus stories are most reasonably explained as myth. History makes this obvious.

by Island Man in

a careful examination of the historical pagan religious context existing at the time of the genesis of christianity leads any reasonable person to conclude that jesus is just another one of several similar myths.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7teoa9ark.

OnTheWayOut

Blind Perry has an axe to grind. He never got over his false hopes of life forever after death given by Jehovah's Witnesses and reaches out to ridiculous fundy Christian websites as links to restore his false hopes and shares his new false hopes as a way of preaching like he used to do with JW's.

In fact, the writers of the New Testament taught that the Scripture is infallible.

Covered excellently by Mephis.

Even if it were true that Paul and Peter didn’t write those epistles, it is still true that whoever wrote them taught the infallibility of biblical inspiration 2,000 years ago!

Can you even hear your own irony if you read that aloud? "If the scriptures are fakes, the forgers wrote something infallible, except for the tiny problem of their being fakes."

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Everybody loves Raymond

by Saintbertholdt in

a while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".

the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.

by nature i am an iconoclast.

OnTheWayOut

I am with Mrs. Flipper on this. I have always said that if the G.B. wanted to sneak off with all the money to some Caribbean island that won't extradite, I would help them pack. Whatever works against Watchtower and toward the personal freedom of the members is good by me.

I know this thread implies that Ray wasn't originally intent on helping people, but rather helping himself. All I know for sure is that his first book did not have any heavy laden resent toward Watchtower like it would have were I the author. Regardless of what got him to write it and to write in such manner, it turned out to be just what vast numbers of members needed for their own personal crisis of conscience.

I think the end results speak for themselves. Ray did a wonderful thing with his first book and he never created a following for himself.

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Big Bang or Big Bust?

by redvip2000 in

i noticed on the october issue of the awake magazine a much softer stance on the big bang theory.

now, i'm not sure if officially the org was ever against this theory ( i did not find much on this), but i do recall on a congregation level, there was constant mockery from jws about the idea that universe was the result of a big initial explosion.. we now see a softer position on this.

as the org now explains:.

OnTheWayOut

Watchtower's biggest enemy is the Bible. Their chronology was invented when virtually all Christians took the Genesis/Exodus account quite literally. So if they can find an out that makes them more in line with widely accepted science, they take it. All they need is "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." No time frame, no details.

After that, it all has to follow the Bible. They did their best to make it sound decent and normal, but they just cannot get past the writings that say that animals were made separately and according to their kinds and that humans were the offspring of Adam and Eve, who were totally created separately from all other creation.

Because they use "original sin" as a reason to need Jesus and a time chart that depends on Adam being 6000 years old in 1975, they cannot simply drop it.

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The False Hope of the Watchtower

by Perry in

the watchtower has long denied the substitutionary sacrifice of jesus.. ot picture of nt salvation:.

on the night of deliverance from pharaoh, the sons of abraham were to slaughter a spotless lamb, eat its flesh and smear some of the blood over the doorway and on the door-posts of their home.

because they were under this blood arrangement and had the lamb inside of themselves after they ate the passover supper, the angel passed over that house as he delivered gods execution judgment.

OnTheWayOut

Hey, this thread ties in very well with Perry's. Both discuss a false hope:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/471510001/thats-jesus-stories-most-reasonably-explained-myth-history-makes-this-obvious

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Today I got a review that left me scratching my head - what do you make of it?

by Brock Talon in

as a published author on amazon, i'm used to getting negative reviews from time to time.

it goes with the territory and i'm ok with it.

writing is an art form, so no art is liked by everyone.

OnTheWayOut

By the way, three other people have already answered that review with their own comments

That's probably the best way- let others have their say.

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The gratitude of Jehovah's witnesses - unbelievable

by punkofnice in

i have to rant...i know you'll listen and understand.. i drove over to my son's place.

down one side of the road cars were parked making only room for one vehicle to travel.

here was a car that didn't have right of way approaching.

OnTheWayOut

See, you noticed the shunning. You wish he would have acknowledged you. You will go through months of being shunned at the Kingdom Hall and begging these elders to take you back so that this shunning will end upon your reinstatement and he can wave at you.

.....or not.

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I'm not so sure a bigger awakening is going to happen anymore

by bradford in

jw
friends

when i left in march officially i started reading the forums here.

i had this excitement that more people would be leaving soon because of the crazy broadcasts, the crazy "new light" that the gb was dishing out, and more recently the australian royal commission lighting up geoffrey.

this past saturday i had an elder stop by to chat for the first time since i left.

OnTheWayOut

there will be no mass exodus. There will be no sudden reform. The org will plod along as many other religions do. The best we can do is help those we come across as best we can, as it aounds like you did.

I tend to agree with Morpheus, but we can always hope something changes that. Is there a mass exodus from the Catholic Church? No, but the members are drifting away pretty steadily. It may not currently be the same with Watchtower, but when we look at the young ones leaving, there is great hope.

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That's it! The Jesus stories are most reasonably explained as myth. History makes this obvious.

by Island Man in

a careful examination of the historical pagan religious context existing at the time of the genesis of christianity leads any reasonable person to conclude that jesus is just another one of several similar myths.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7teoa9ark.

OnTheWayOut

OntheWayOut,
Jewish Christians did not abandon keeping kashrut (eating kosher) or avoiding circumcision.

Calebin (Florida misspelled) Chill, dude. This entire last paragraph of my response was just a joke:

But mainly, Jews became Christians because it was easier to sell a religion where males did not have to cut a portion of their penis and where bacon was allowed. It always comes back to bacon.

I will remember to put "(just joking)" in such places just for you. (just joking)

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That's it! The Jesus stories are most reasonably explained as myth. History makes this obvious.

by Island Man in

a careful examination of the historical pagan religious context existing at the time of the genesis of christianity leads any reasonable person to conclude that jesus is just another one of several similar myths.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7teoa9ark.

OnTheWayOut

Absolutely nobody today believes that Osiris, Adonis, Romulus, Zalmoxis, or Inanna existed.

Here's what I get out of this: Most of the even slightly educated people of the days of these other gods were pretty sure that the gods were not real, but were part of sacred myths or allegories that they believed were used to reveal cosmic truths.

Between the angels of the old testament and the gods of the land, Jesus was invented as a new, better combination of Moses and Ezekiel. Edited to add: ....and Jesus was a permanent blood sacrifice to remove the need for the Jewish temple and regular sacrifices.

Sometime after Christianity was established, there were too many differing ideas about him and too many writings about him and the church did their best to limit these. They put Jesus in an actual historical time and place and invented their own pedigrees and papers of learning so that others could not keep trying to change who Jesus was and what he did and said. So Jesus became real.

But mainly, Jews became Christians because it was easier to sell a religion where males did not have to cut a portion of their penis and where bacon was allowed. It always comes back to bacon.