I don't know more than I read here, Esmeralda001. But BRAVO to you. Get the hell out of there. You don't need all that negative and drama.
Enjoy your life. It sounds like you are young and have so much better you can do with your time.
OnTheWayOut
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Conclusion
by Esmeralda001 ini decided to put an end to my affiliation with the jws for good.
this decision is not the result of an irrational impulse.
it is quite the contrary.
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"Fa La La"
by OnTheWayOut inout at the mall with mrs. otwo, she sees a shirt on the rack that was marked down from $25 to just $4.
she holds it up and says, "should i buy this as a workout shirt?".
i tell her "no, because as soon as you figure out what it means, you won't wear it anymore.
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Blondie, my wife may very well have come up with something like your song there. It's just that once it was identified to her by me, she acted so "normal" about that and ignored the Christmas tie-in.
I have said many times that Jingle Bells has no mentions of Christmas whatsoever.
FayeDunaway, I think so too. She has no clue what many doctrines are, just that JW's are in "the truth."
carla, thanks for the laugh. Yup, it's all good.
Dold Agency, in many ways she is living under a stone. Other JW's have asked the odd question that makes me wonder. A JW family, elder and pioneer, teen daughter and pre-teen son, were giggling once about this song they heard on the radio- Bob Dylan's "Everybody must get stoned." They all assumed it was about nobody measuring up and all being deserving of literal stoning. I said "You're kidding, right?" They were not kidding, so I had to explain what "getting stoned" meant.
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"Fa La La"
by OnTheWayOut inout at the mall with mrs. otwo, she sees a shirt on the rack that was marked down from $25 to just $4.
she holds it up and says, "should i buy this as a workout shirt?".
i tell her "no, because as soon as you figure out what it means, you won't wear it anymore.
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Cognac, yup.....to be a fly on the wall. While she bought it, she won't ever wear it around them. I hope I am wrong.SafeAtHome, it wasn't red or green. She did google it and it probably did say it was in that song, but she focused right away on it having no literal meaning. DUH! They are just singing notes. Like the DO RE MI scale. That's how she felt.
Dagney, it wasn't that she thought I was wrong. She wanted the $4 deal and acted as if she thought I was narrowly focused on "ONE ASPECT" of what "fa la la" meant when I read it. I guess I could describe it as what a "worldly apostate" would see vs. what anyone else would see. Of course, she's wrong as anyone else would see it as part of "Deck the Halls."
JRK is referring to an inside joke between us. Technically, you can drive from Chicago to Detroit without going through Indiana, but you turn a 4 hour drive into a 16 to 24 hour drive to do it. And that's what she did- turned an obvious Christmas-themed shirt into a meaningless shirt by going all the way around the obvious meaning.
Stealth, that would be true.
scary21, I may use that. "Tell your JW friends that see your shirt that 'fa la la' was going through your brain when you bought it."
brandnew, here's the next lines for you to sing along (and count all the occurrences of "la"):
Tis the season to be jolly,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.
Don we now our gay apparel,
Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.Sparrowdown, that is the most profound thought. I missed the opportunity to say that at that moment.
"You whip out google on the smartphone to see if this is okay. I hope you do the same when you hear some new point at the assembly hall like 'overlapping generation.'" -
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Rumour about the reason of my disfellowshipping: Spiritism!
by Daniel1555 inin november i was disfellowshipped for apostasy or in other words, because i live by my conscience and not according to the unloving rules of a human organisation.
details of my story and the judicial committee you find in my older threads.. i am lucky, as the relationship to my parents is the same as before.
now my mother told me what one elder (cobe of the congregation of my ex wife) told one sister.. he met her on the street and talked about my disfellowshipping.
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Yeah, when they don't know the facts, they will fill in rumors.
When I resigned as elder then faded quickly, the rumor started that I had a huge difference of opinion with the body of elders over some unknown issue. Then pride made me resign and stop attending. None of that is true, but they can't imagine I just woke up to TTATT.
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Returning
by Doubtfully Yours ini was a member of this community a long time ago and have lurked for years.
well, i am back and still thoroughly conflicted, with my heart/loyalties as divided as ever.
please welcome me back, hear me out, and make me feel as welcomed as before.. the wtbts has changed so very much in recent years that i feel trapped in a completely different religion altogether.
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Welcome back. I can disagree with you all day, but the bottom line is that it's you in that chair in that Kingdom Hall. If you can stomach that, who am I to keep arguing? -
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I'm ready to get my first Powerball ticket -- NOT!
by FatFreek 2005 init's up to some 800 zillion dollars now and hasn't suckered me in yet.
i've been out of watchtower for some 38 years now and i suppose the lottery is one of their nonoze.
i have nothing morally wrong against it or anyone who enjoys doing it.
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People sometimes don't understand basic math. At work, they asked if there was a way to buy all the numbers. I said, of course. If the odds are 1 in 296 million, I will just round it to 1 in 300 million. That means 300 million combinations, so at $2 a ticket you can spend $600 million and buy every number possible.
"So why doesn't someone do that?"
"Well, the lump sum is probably going to be something less than $600 million dollars and you might have to share the winnings with someone else who just happened to hit the numbers. But also, anyone with $600 million doesn't want to bother trying to buy all the numbers."
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"Fa La La"
by OnTheWayOut inout at the mall with mrs. otwo, she sees a shirt on the rack that was marked down from $25 to just $4.
she holds it up and says, "should i buy this as a workout shirt?".
i tell her "no, because as soon as you figure out what it means, you won't wear it anymore.
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Out at the mall with Mrs. OTWO, she sees a shirt on the rack that was marked down from $25 to just $4.
She holds it up and says, "Should I buy this as a workout shirt?"I tell her "No, because as soon as you figure out what it means, you won't wear it anymore. Save your $4."
Her: "What?"
Me: "It says in cursive, 'fa la la.' "
I thought maybe she didn't read it clear, so I figured that was enough to say to a JW. But no.Her: "What does that mean?"
Me: "It is commonly known that it is words in a song played at Christmas- Deck the halls with boughs of holly, fa la la la la, la la la la. Someone will point that out to you and you will feel bad."
Her: "Let me see if it means anything."
She whips out the smart phone to declare, "It has absolutely no meaning."So she bought it.
That is so "normal" of a person, but not normal of a JW.
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It's Time to Stop Doing THAT!!!!!
by OnTheWayOut ini stole this from a webpage and altered it to fit my thoughts.
(https://www.yahoo.com/makers/the-age-when-you-should-1339034007961654/photo-age-3-sucking-your-thumb-1452582698549.html).
it's time to stop doing that-.
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I stole this from a webpage and altered it to fit my thoughts.
There's a point in your life when you need to stop something. You know, you stop crawling when it's time to walk. You stop driving when you become too old to do it safely, etc. etc. etc.
I know many grew up JW and really most of this doesn't apply. Well: At the end, I want thoughts on religious/spiritual beliefs or any other things you feel strongly that there is an age to stop doing/believing something.
It's Time to Stop Doing THAT-
Age 3: Sucking your thumb
Beyond this age it’s only acceptable if you notice melted chocolate or barbecue sauce or some other tasty foodstuff you don’t want to waste on said thumb.
Age 5: Getting your butt wiped by others
This is arguably the scariest part about being a parent. Sure, there’s a ton of pressure and responsibility, but none more daunting than having to clean their offspring’s tuchus. Do them a favor and learn to do it yourself as quickly as possible.
Age 6: Sleeping in your parents’ bed
You have your own bed. Use it. Nightmares and “can’t sleep” aren’t valid excuses to mess with your parents anymore. They have work in the morning and deserve a little bit of rest at night without their kid sprawled out between them.
Age 7: Soiling your pants
You should already be well-past potty trained, but even “accidents” should be a thing of the past at this point. You’re at the age where you can consciously control your bowel movements. It’s time to do so.
Age 10: Believing In Santa Claus
10 is pretty late, most of the other kids have long abandoned Santa.
If you’re older than 10 and still believe in a magical fat man who delivers presents all across the world, then your gullibility as well as your home-security practices are seriously questionable. Why would they advertise Christmas presents on television if Santa is the one building them all in the North Pole? Huh kid?! Why do rich kids get better stuff from Santa than poor kids?
Age 14: Trick-or-treating
Obviously, everyone loves free candy. However, once you’ve reached the age where you can attend a party or some sort of social gathering on Halloween, it’s no longer acceptable to dress up and ring doorbells. It's kids' stuff.
Age 18: Believing you’ll go pro in sports
Those that make it in pro sports believe in themselves and have very little doubt that it will happen. So that's important. But making it means progress as you go along. If you can't get a scholarship for your skills, if no scout is interested, if you haven't a chance to get into the Olympics or some kind of world games, then:
It’s time to face it: If you’re the same age as some of the guys/girls getting drafted, and your stock isn’t too hot, then it’s time to realize you aren’t going to make it.
Age 20: Taping posters to your bedroom wall
Now that you’re in your 20’s, it’s time to make the switch from posters to pictures. Keep hanging stuff wherever you live, but try and stick to portraits, framed pictures, or artwork. That Zac Efron poster can be removed now and stored safely somewhere private.
Or framed, because you’re a grownup.
Age 28: Texting/bugging your ex
You’re almost 30 years old and he/she doesn’t need this. Grow up and leave your ex alone.
If you really need to talk to someone, get on a dating app like the rest of us. Or if the confrontation is what you’re looking for, just go get in an argument in the comments section of a website.
Age 29: Being the guy on the couch
If you need to stay over at a friend’s place because you got overzealous at the bar or something, then that’s fine. However, if you’re planning on spending an extended period of time on a friend’s couch at the age of 29, then it’s time to seriously consider where you’re heading in life. Also, your friends will hate you. This is also a good (late) age to stop getting totally bombed everytime you go to parties, clubs, the local drinking establishment.
Age 31: I wanted to say "Doing laundry at your parents’ house" but I will just go with
"Dropping Laundry Off for Mom to do"
Nobody likes doing laundry. That’s why one of the biggest perks to living at home was mom’s willingness to remove your stains. Well, guess what? You don’t live there anymore (I would hope), so it’s about time you learn to clean your own spaghetti splatters. If you visit Mom and do it yourself, go ahead and keep doing that. Heck, feel free to eat leftovers with Mom, but insist that you wash your own stuff.
Age 35: Believing in “The One”
If you haven’t found a life partner at this point, then the odds of him/her still being out there AND still being single is pretty slim. Either learn to lower your standards and settle, or start thinking of cat names. Unless you’re Trinity, in which case the fate of Zion depends on your belief in The One.
Age 44: Worrying about being cool
Unless you’re Robert Downey Jr, you aren’t going to be cool by the time you hit this age. You won’t understand current events, you won’t enjoy popular music, you’ll think modern entertainment is stupid, and you’ll struggle to comprehend model technology.
Age 45: Listening to behavioral advice from wise guys on the internet Just sayin’…
Be yourself and just think about acting your age, but if you really like who you are, keep believing in Santa, dropping off laundry at Mom's, looking for "The One."
At what age should a born-in JW wake up? When should you do your own investigation of spiritual/supernatural beliefs?
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Non JW friends don't understand
by kozmo init never ceases to amaze me that your personal friends have no clue what it is like to have been one.
i was speaking with a friend the other day about having been a jw.
she said, oh i have a dear friend of 30 years who is one and she is so nice!
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My step grandmother was concerned when I stopped attending. She said "This wonderful girl stops by every once in a while. They seem so nice. You really should belong to a church, and that's the one your wife belongs to."
All she knows it that this lady is nice, and that she will never stop being a member of her church even if she doesn't really attend. She has no clue and would probably say the same about any group (except those Muslims and Jews- I wish I was kidding).
Plenty of others have spoken to me about them without a clue. The JW's are insignificant in the world. People have confused them with those men in white shirts on bicycles, those people who won't go to the doctor, some strange group that doesn't believe in Jesus, YADDA YADDA.