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  2520-607 = 1913

  by schnell in

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  i love math, i love calendars, and somehow, this always gets me.. 2520 - 607 = 1913. not 1914.. 2520 - 606 = 1914. from what i understand, russell realized this.

  he had previously used 606 bc, of course, but then he switched it to 607 bc.

  i know there was something about no zero year, so it actually should be less one, correct?.

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  From Year 607 BCE to 1 CE is 607 years
  From Year 1 CE to 1914 CE is 1913 years
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  Together adds up to 2520 years

  That's their simplified math. But really, work back from whatever date you want and you can come up with whatever Bible math rule you want to create a cult date of significance. Look at 1975. All fuzzy math from the Bible and cult people applying it anyway that suits them. I find it hard to believe they forgot at one point that there was no year ZERO. It's almost like they don't really have "spirit-direction" and are just making shit up.
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  Religion...is regarded by the rulers as useful

  by flipper in

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  lucius annaeus seneca, roman statesman, 4bc - 65ad: "religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.".

  this comes to mind as trump has been throwing the word "god" around.

  there are a lot of outwardly religious people in this government.. benjamin franklin: "the way to see faith is to shut the eye of reason.".

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  It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.

  Robert A. Heinlein

  
  
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  No Longer a JW Expert But Starting to Figure Out Life

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  consider this an update for those that remember me here.... when i left in 2006, it started a 10 year journey into a new phase.

  no more "safety".

  some people want to be their own person.

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  Very well said.
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  New light in this weeks WT?

  by Indian Larry in

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  anybody have any ideas where they are going with the "new light" they have been pushing last week and this week?

  for instance in this weeks study article one section reads:.

  in years gone by, we believed that jehovah became displeased with his people because they did not have a zealous share in the preaching work during world war i. we concluded that for this reason, jehovah allowed babylon the great to take them captive for a short time.

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  Gobble-dee-gook, YADDA YADDA

  It sounds like, "We had a negative outlook but later things were more positive than we realized."
  
  That sets them up for consolidating congregations, selling off properties, appearing to be on the decline, but then saying that things will clear up later to show that they were really doing fine.
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  A Perfect Life Isn't Worth Living?

  by Sorry in

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  think of your favorite tv shows.

  what do they all have in common?

  the answer is they revolve around some type of problem or conflict.

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  Smiddy: OTWO remember competition is frowned on and a big no-no , dress codes are strictly controlled , imagine a sister or brother designing their own clothes in the new system it would be as bad as the Muslim nations of today you would have the religious police patrolling everywhere ."You cant wear that ?"

  
  

  That's a JW-paradise or one ruled by some religious entity. I am not specifically talking of a religious dictatorship but of a place of never dying. It isn't real anyway, so my speculation is a fantasy just as your description of living forever where so much is frowned upon is fantasy.
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  If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

  by tor1500 in

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  i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

  it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

  and they were chosen in place of the jews.

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  I had my doubts about the organization for a decade before I left. I stayed because I was sure God put me there, that it was God's organization.

  No way I would have stayed if they admitted the truth. Same for most JW's, even hardcore ones.
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  Mr Trump looked in the Bible to see what's God view on "Torture"

  by James Mixon in

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  guess what, first book of the bible genesis 3:16 and he found other books that condones torture, exodus 7:3, numbers 31:17,18 and many more in that book.

  so trump thought i have god's blessing..

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  You can find anything in the Bible.

  Yeah, Donald gave me a weird vibe. He's still convincing the lowest-denominator common Americans that the U.S. needs to become harsher, more ruthless. He's telling us that waterboarding and torture are better than what happens when we don't do that. He had experts tell him that torture is effective. (Bullshit, by the way.)
  
  Still, even under liberal leadership, the stuff the military does has been going on nonstop. Maybe dragging it out of Guantanamo Bay and the middle east and out into the open would cause people to see that torture is wrong and stripping humans of their rights without trial is wrong.

  Donald also says that ending all the shootings in Chicago is easy. He told O'Reilly he could do it in one week. So I have deep concerns for the military establishment that Trump may turn the United States into once he figures out executive orders are very similar to the expedited powers that the German Parliament gave to Hitler.
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  Mary Tyler Moore Dec.29, 1936 – Jan.25, 2017

  by glenster in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybujst8kozq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgeojxtqtwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxovacssahu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mary_tyler_moore.

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  Her show was totally awesome.
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  Oh God(s)!

  by tepidpoultry in

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  meant to hopefully get your mind off the craziness which we sadly refer to as the news these days,.

  we'll call this one .

  fun for seculars.

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  OnTheWayOut

  #7 for me.

  Everything had (in our limited understanding) a beginning. Life from lifelessness had to be. No need for a god.

  None of the gods of man's creation exist. I have a slight belief that there may be evolved beings beyond human beings that would seem godlike to us, but in a Star Trek kind of way. I am extremely confident that were there any such beings, they have never visited Earth. Even if I am wrong and they visited and actually started out our primordial soup, they started out themselves from lifelessness and are not gods. But I really only put that up as a tiny slight silly notion of a possibility.
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  A Perfect Life Isn't Worth Living?

  by Sorry in

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  think of your favorite tv shows.

  what do they all have in common?

  the answer is they revolve around some type of problem or conflict.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I am torn on this. I get that man has evolved due to the need to overcome. I get that we are shaped mentally, philosophically by our challenges.

  I know that I would be happy in retirement on the beach but we are talking about 2 decades, a far cry from "forever."

  But it seems we could challenge ourselves in small ways even in perfection- learning an instrument or how to build certain things, then a different instrument and building different things. We could learn how to win auto races or horse races or foot races, then rowboat races. We could sew our own clothing and become skilled at that. To rid the world of large facilities, we could get our own water and food the hard way and dispose of our own sewage and garbage the hard way, so our daily drudgeries become a workout. Sure, tiny goals would become important goals and it may be a bit weird to focus on cutting a half-second off your rowboat mile, but it could be done.

  I think I could find a way to "switch it up" over time.
  
  It matters not, though. It's all just a fantasy.