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  Just noticed something about my membership here

  by JeffT in

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  i've been a member of this board three years longer than i was a jehovah's witness (eighteen vs fifteen).

  i'm sure i've put in more hours here than i did in field service, it was more fun as well.

  anybody else with similar numbers?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I am not there yet. Even when years here surpasses years there, I doubt I would put in the hours I put in as a JW.
  
  Also, I never fake my hours here. (I never really did that there either, but might have rounded up a bit.)
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  My Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain Moment...

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is my first post.

  i am physically in and mentally out.

  well i will not be offering a tl/dr version as that would be too difficult and it would also be an oversimplification of how i got to see the man behind the curtain.. my story begins at the 2016 regional convention of jehovah's witnesses.

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  OnTheWayOut

  You are preparing your escape? Like Jesus told Judas, “What you are going to do, do quickly.”

  I had to leave before my wife was ready to go. She's still JW after more than 13 years away from meetings. I have no regret because I needed to leave for my own sanity.
  
  One similar thing that bothers me is selling Kingdom Halls to "Christendom." If it is wrong to do things that benefit false religion for members, then Watchtower should bulldoze a Kingdom Hall and sell the empty lot before selling it to some other religion.
  
  I like these thoughts you shared: "Whether I believe in Christ / I will enjoy the holidays. I will enjoy my Birthday and others. I will celebrate life because it is the only one we get."
  
  I enjoy birthdays and gift sharing at Christmas. Celebrating life is awesome.
  
  
  
  
  
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  Do old time present day active JW`s genuinely believe in overlapping generations ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for the life of me i can not come to terms with old timers in the "truth" who could swallow this interpretation of scripture about an overlapping generation .. when jesus spoke about "this generation" .

  are their any real bible students among younger ones any more ?.

  here are 3 bible scriptures that confirm a generation is approximately 40- 50 years long give or take a few years .. 1. matt:1 :17 abraham born 2016-18 bc jesus born 2 bc approx.

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  OnTheWayOut

  JW's born-in are wired differently. If they are properly indoctrinated and trained, they are cult-wired to accept anything they are told. That's one factor.

  Another factor has to do with the era that ended with Ray Franz. That was the era of members starting from assuming that the Bible is God's word, God's name is Jehovah, Jehovah's Witnesses have 'the truth' when it comes to the last days and Armageddon and things related. That era included deep research. Granted, the research was to verify the truth of JW teachings, but nevertheless it was complicated but not so wildly off of a general track that A leads to B, B leads to C, and so on. My mother is of that era. She sticks with a basic understanding that A leads to B and so on. And while I came into the organization in the late 80's, it was still coasting on people of the Ray Franz era, so I was trained by people of that era.
  

  The new era takes wild leaps with an unconnected generation and radical changes in doctrine because of the ticking of time and because of monetary needs. Long-time people of the previous era have to do as Blondie has said and relieve the tension caused by cognitive dissonance in only one way- "stop thinking about it." My mother clearly wants to reject the new teachings, but just can't deal with the headache of abandoning a "truth" she supported for decades, so she stops thinking about it, pretends all is fine at Watchtower, places literature and enjoys her JW friends.
  

  People of my time of training might go that way or might wake up- its a toss up. I meet so many who have left and I know of so many who have not left. We tend to be the ones who still know the doctrine. We either know its wrong or we think we understand why its right. People later down the line are either those born in and wired differently or they leave. I think it really is that simple.
  
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  Have You Been Invited To This Year’s Memorial ?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  last year was the first time i didn’t get an invitation  to the lord’s evening meal.

  i think they finally gave up on me..

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  OnTheWayOut

  Strangely, I was invited to the Memorial.

  For many years, I have not been invited. For some strange reason, I am invited.
  The wife of one of the elders texted to my wife and asked to forward the invite to me.
  
  
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  Jussie Smollett Charges Dropped!!

  by minimus in

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  interesting breaking news!.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Liberals should not be afraid to speak out. Wrong is wrong.

  Michelle Obama contacted someone who got to States Attorney Kim Foxx to drop the charges. She better have a job offer as this could end her in the next election.

  The reason is stated that these cases are often pleaded out to community service or such. Then maybe she should have done that.

  The city sent Jussie a bill for $130,000. Good for them. He went on and on about his innocense and wanting his record wiped. I hope fighting the bill leads to civil court where his innocense would be examined.

  Everyone is hurt by false accusations like these.

  And remember that no conviction, no collusion charges, no indictments, doesn't always mean no criminal activity.
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  Come Take a Ride in the WatchTower LEAD balloon!

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the lead balloon: parousia.

  “up, up and away in my beautiful.

  .balloon,” is the lyric of a popular song from the 60’s; lifting us into the sky away from cares and woe.. .

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  OnTheWayOut

  I am going to steal your idea here and refer to Watchtower as the true "Lead" Zeppelin. Don't worry- I givr you full credit and will never copywrite it.
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  Went to the KH a few days ago.

  by nowawake14 in

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  2. friends

  i actually visited the kh a few days ago.

  i just needed to see some friends.

  i hadn't been in months.

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  OnTheWayOut

  And some of us are PIMO and don't just unreasonably walk away becuase we have our friends here and there.

  I didn't need such friends that were mainly focused on judging me for my involvement in the organization. Even if that were not the case, like many here, I was unable to take the b.s. of the meeting itself to try to reap some friendship benefits. Better to find new friends.
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  Losing My Religion - None of the Above Now Top!

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  look at this - the percentage of americans who have no religious affiliation is now higher than any religious group!.

  next step, a majority!.

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  OnTheWayOut

  it's like atheism has finally reached critical mass

  We have much work to do still. "No Religion" doesn't mean they are atheists and believers still dominate the chart, many not letting go of their category even if they are inactive Catholics, Protestant, or others.
  
  
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  Marijuana and JWs

  by Thomasdam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so where does the cult stand on marijuana.

  my wife just visited her parents who are jws and her dad who knows nothing about it said it was a gateway drug.

  he may have heard it on the news but i doubt it.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I am certainly not the one to look up anything in the WT Library, but JW's are against psychiatry yet won't directly tell members not to seek mental health professionals anymore. I am certain it's the same with medical marijuana. They will continue to demonize smoking pot, but I don't think they will come out and condemn edibles for medical treatment. They will just put out a bunch of "Be cautious, but you need to use your own discretion."
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  Whole Study Article on Commenting at Meetings

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i guess less people are commenting now.

  last week's whole wt study was dedicating to the issue of commenting.

  people were literally making comments about how to comment, it was very meta (not that most there would get that), anyway the main reason that wt gave to explain away people's lack of commenting?

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  OnTheWayOut

  A bunch of commenting on an article about commenting. How precious.
  
  

  Blondie: I do remember one WT conductor told the audience that starting the next Sunday, if no one raised their hand to answer, he would call on someone without notice to do so and he did.
  

  
  They only have the power over people that people give them. It would serve him right for someone to say "How would I know?" If I were there today in such a situation, I would use being called as an opportunity to say something goofy. "According the paragraph BLAH BLAH BLAH, but then that's all subject to an overlap."