Posts by Beardo

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evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

How exactly did man being imperfect cause AIDS?

I'll go with the 'AIDs was engineered' as a BIO weapon theory. So, maybe it could be down to mans imperfect nature afterall. A lot of men are bastards and like murdering each other, so they devise cunning methods to do so.

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.
Don't these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there's one you're bound to divide it
Right in two
Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason,
And this is what they choose?
Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they forge a blade
And where there's one they're bound to divide it
Right in two
Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club,
And beat their brother down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability,
To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.
[Cutting it all right in two
/ Cut it all right in two]
/ Cutting our love right in two]
Fight over the clouds, over wind, over sky
Fight over your lie, over blood, over anything
Fight over love, over sun, over nothing
Fight till they die,
(Ahhh!) over what? for their ending

537

evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

Once you stiffle the enjoyment and wonder of life in the antisceptic confines of pure science you are halfway to dead, IMHO.

Very true - although Dawkins reasons that for him, dismissing God / the occult world / mysticism, actually enhances his world view and appreciation for the here & now. Mind you, he's an idiot

537

evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

But would you base your understanding of the origins of life on Earth on their sayings? Or go to them to talk to a dead person? Or use them to curse an enemy? Or go to them for medical treatment consisting of nothing more than incantations or fetishes.

I would take into consideration what they had to say about our origins - look at other myths & legends, see if there are any links between tales and come to a decision as to whether I believe there is something worth taking on board, based around my current understanding of reality and what I choose to believe. Of course it may be necessary to put on a pair of metaphorical-filtering lenses.

Dead people - hmm, nope.

Curse an enemy - depends if it works - erm, nope. Probably not.

Notice I exclude medicinal preparations.

Good. There is evidence to suggest that certain tribes have special knowledge in this area, they know which plants to go to. I am not qualified enough to say whether this is "hit or miss" and based around centuries of experimentation or intuitive insight - but having studied ancient Egypt (admittedly the occult side of their knowledge.... and no, I'm not an expert... yet) those ancients appeared to have had great insight into our human form without the medical sciences we take for granted today. My jury has been out for a while concerning how they obtained this knowledge, but I am willing to delve into the occult world for answers.

That suggests there is a right way to 'do it' and a wrong way to 'do it'. Why so dogmatic ;-) ?

There may well be a right way, or at least a series of determining factors.

And your cachcism doesn't explain why others (who believe just as strongly as you) have experiences contradictory to your own.

I'm not sure what a cachism is? I'm also not sure if you know what my experiences are, as I haven't really gone in to them in detail, nor do I wish to. As to the variety of people I have connected with who have had odd encounters, they range from ghostly encounters to UFO (in the sky) encounters. Some of these events being witnessed by several people at the same time. Some of these events having distinct effects on the environment (objects moving and temperature shifts etc).

Do a little research on cold reading and the psychomotor effect. People can believe anything if they want to.

Yes, I've looked at this and taken it into consideration in the past. There is truth there, but outside of this, there are still many, many unexplained phenomena and some of these experiences show a degree of intelligence and often to observers, manipulation or mischief.

537

evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

could someone please tell me what has been stated here that would be considered a truly unique presentation on this subject?

nothing ........ sadly - time to move to another thread - waste of energy.

537

evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

Push away at buttons, but do try to do so in a fashion which doesn't make yourself appear foolish; thus my comments about how dumb ass it is to be anti-intellectual.

- the fool isn't always the worst card in the pack you know

Nice to see you totally refuse to engage with my point; i.e., how unreasonable it is for those with little or no knowledge of a subject to try to engage in a meaningful discussion about it from the premise of "if I don't "get" or know something then it can't be so". No smart reply? Illustrative!

You see - I actually agree with you there. I think its good to go away, do a little reseach, have a think about it and then return with your answer. I didn't engage originally due to sheer laziness.

And please don't re-run the tired old myth of atheists/agnostics having no sense of spirituality. It's as hacknied and trite as white men having no rythm. Atheists and agnostics CAN have a sense of spirituality; it's just we look for slightly different explanations for these feelings instead of warming over millenia-old shamanistic nonsense.

I wouldn't say Shamans are completely nonsensical or brush off myths and folk legends as easy as you seem to do. I did think about accusing your heart of being a 'swinging-brick' and was going to add that you had a lack of warmth, but point taken, it isn't the best retort in the book.

Although we would probably have to dissect what 'spirituality' actually is first of all and then see if that quality could be applied from individual to individual.

I have learnt a lot at ocult forums; what I learnt was that not once, ever, in all of history, has any paranormal or occult happening been proved to have taken place to the standards that one would expect in a science lab or court of law. Doesn't mean they aren't 'real' outside of the minds of those experiencing them (and yes, it's easy to explain groups having the same perceptions without invoking the paranormal), just no one yet has proved they are real outside of the minds of those experiencing them.

Well, yes, I have seen you write that before at this forum and I would argue that I have evidence of "supernatural" activity, but nothing that would fully satisfy your scientific investigation, so therefore, you are more than welcome to dismiss it as figments of my own imagination and the imagination of others

I BELIEVE that there are other worldly intelligences operating and that we simply can't detect them due to our limited range of senses. I would base this around study, and having been involved with many people who have had bizarre encounters with what cannot easily be explained and these encounters ' appearing' to be of an intelligent/sentient origin.

Goes back to one of my original questions to you; how do you know you're not imagining things? Wishful thinking + enculturation? How come others have similar 'spiritual' experiences which contradict yours; are they right? Are you right? Are you both wrong? Hmmmm.... no answers?Avoiding a question which effects the credibility of your belief structure is an admission of the weaknesses of your belief structure.

See above in red.

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evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

Mr Toe

To blow it off as fiction is to remain ignorant of so many incontroversible facts that make it superior to the Genesis theory.

I thought you were some kind of Christian? Doesn't blowing Genesis out of the water cause a bit of conflict for you? Surely if you undermine the foundation of the Bible, you undermine the other texts as well?

& btw - did you get the item?

537

evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

@ jstalin

Now then - do you totally reject the notion of an occult underbelly to the universe?

Do you view the universe as a mechanical process; the origin being non-determinable, and would you believe in a creator if the creator could be carefully explained using our current language and understanding of physics?

Do you believe that we would be able to fully describe the concept of an almighty creator God using our language?

Do you accept that supernatural events occur daily and would you say that one day we will also be able to pin-point the origin of these events?

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evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

Here's a simple puzzle that the Bible account of creation can't explain.

That is because the Hebrew accounts are only one of many creation tales and other cultures have their own vision of what GOD is and how the universe operates.

I used to have my head firmly buried with the Genesis account, then my mind swung further to the East - I then saw another version of the creator, from a different perspective, yet equally as convincing when you are able to decode the central core of beliefs.

I'm not an expert (yet) on Eastern philosophy - but find it intriguing.

537

evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

Trying to inter-mix them doesn't make any sense either, because they always end up separating from each other.

It is possible to construct a theoretical model that includes both a creator and a system of life that gradually or rapidly evolves.

Now whether that model is correct - there's the argument

You are possibly about to be hung, drawn and quartered whyizit as there are gaping holes I can see, with wind blowing straight through them, and posters like Abaddon will exploit those vulnerabilities.

Its a merry old dance, and then you die.

537

evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

jw
friends

ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

Beardo

Is it anti-intellectual week or what? I always find it hysterically funny when someone in a discussion resorts to insulting someone or being sarcastic because they think they're dealing with someone they obviously think of as an intellectual.

Nah, just pushing your buttons Abaddon... I've been watching this board off & on for years and have seen your posts before.

I'm not " anti-intellectual " ...

How can you not be god when you are part of god?

That's for you to work out. I'm not going to write an essay for you, some things in this life we share aren't that straight forward in my estimation. You want a 'reason' for everything. Fine, if that's what makes you happy. But you will never ever have a reason for "everything".

Why not listen to some of Alan Watts lectures - they are out there - he was pretty clued up.

Your comments to dido and her reply are classic.

Glad to be of service to you and nice to know your model of reality has been confirmed yet again by us bumbling spiritually minded buffoons.

May I suggest you hop along to a few occult forums? You may learn something.