Posts by winnie

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Active JW's on this forum

by winnie in

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having read posts over the last few months, i have come to the conclusion that there must be alot of 'active' jw's who still regularly attend meetings/field service etc.. don't you feel that by posting your many and varied topics, usually complaining/disagreeing with the wbts, that you are being hypocritical?

when you post your information, obtained sometimes in an questionable manner, doesn't it make you question your own underhanded actions?.

you converse with many on this forum who are disfellowshipped/dissasociated, yet if you knew who these ones were, face to face, you would not give them the time of day!

winnie

sf: it's nice to know that I am not the only one questioning people on this forum.

That said, it's also nice to know that many would not shun disfellowshipped/disassociated ones.

But if you were caught not shunning them, or were to be caught on this forum, how would you explain it?

Would you lie?

I don't have a problem with ones who are open to all about their feelings. I have a major problem with those I see are still going to meetings, being nice and friendly to their faces, and then bitching behind their backs. You can't have it both ways! Regardless of circumstances, it it a very two faced thing to do!

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Active JW's on this forum

by winnie in

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having read posts over the last few months, i have come to the conclusion that there must be alot of 'active' jw's who still regularly attend meetings/field service etc.. don't you feel that by posting your many and varied topics, usually complaining/disagreeing with the wbts, that you are being hypocritical?

when you post your information, obtained sometimes in an questionable manner, doesn't it make you question your own underhanded actions?.

you converse with many on this forum who are disfellowshipped/dissasociated, yet if you knew who these ones were, face to face, you would not give them the time of day!

winnie

I don't judge anyone. What they do is their business. I was asking out of curiosity more than anything else.

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Active JW's on this forum

by winnie in

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having read posts over the last few months, i have come to the conclusion that there must be alot of 'active' jw's who still regularly attend meetings/field service etc.. don't you feel that by posting your many and varied topics, usually complaining/disagreeing with the wbts, that you are being hypocritical?

when you post your information, obtained sometimes in an questionable manner, doesn't it make you question your own underhanded actions?.

you converse with many on this forum who are disfellowshipped/dissasociated, yet if you knew who these ones were, face to face, you would not give them the time of day!

winnie

Having read posts over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that there must be alot of 'active' jw's who still regularly attend meetings/field service etc.

Don't you feel that by posting your many and varied topics, usually complaining/disagreeing with the wbts, that you are being hypocritical? When you post your information, obtained sometimes in an questionable manner, doesn't it make you question your own underhanded actions?

You converse with many on this forum who are disfellowshipped/dissasociated, yet if you knew who these ones were, face to face, you would not give them the time of day! You would openly 'shun' them as the wbts tells you to do.

Saying one thing, but doing another....how do you justify this?

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I have to aux pioneer?

by thebiggestlie in

ok so apparently the gb has instutuited some kind of quota for aux pioneers for the month of april for the memorial or something.

so the pos wife came up to me yesterday and told me "every congregation needs at least 16 aux pioneers for the month of april.

you should can i count on you?

winnie

Boy oh boy Winnie, you'd make a great elder. I've known brothers that were about as understanding as you. To each their own.

Firstly, I had and have no desire to be someone who judges and condemnes others, and secondly, unless you have been in a similar circumstance, you cannot begin to understand what he is going through. When your in a situation like this, you don't need understanding, you need advice and help!

I'd say he's standing up right now for what he believes in.

Speaking out on this forum is 'safe' and I wouldn't say it is standing up for what you believe in. It's anonymous. You are still hiding what you really think from other jw's, and that is a form of lying to yourself and others whichever way you look at it.

Don't you get it? People who get on this forum to complain about FS and so on are in the process of leaving the organization. People who have been raised their whole lives simply can't wake up and say, "Ok, I want to leave the org." It means learning to think in a different way, and to start understanding issues from a different perspective. Going on this forum and talking about feelings of cognitive dissonance, and talking about how the WT suddenly looks like rubbish are very important to the person who is trying to get out. One needs to start breaking the mental chains, and here is a great way to do it.

There are alot of people who, by their own admission, are on this site, complaining about meetings, jw's, etc who have no intention of leaving. As for your statement "People who have been raised their whole lives simply can't wake up and say: OK I want to leave the org", I was raised as a JW and I did exactly that. I also know others who have done the same. In our lives, it was much better to be honest about how we felt, rather than hide our true feelings. If you continue to 'liva a lie', it will eat away at you and the end result will be much worse. But if you want to procrastinate... to each their own.

There's no point in throwing away the resources of living at home simply to assuage one's ego.

That's a bit hypocritical, isn't it? You can't have your cake and eat it too!

And it has nothing to do with one's ego.

If they were loving parents, (and his sound like they are) they should respect their childrens choices, even if they themselves do not agree. There are compromises to every situation, that are suitable to all, while respecting each one's beliefs. And if not, there is always a way out of a hard situation, you just have to find it, no matter how hard it may be.

bravo, SirNose, that post was better than i could have expressed it. It needed to be said.

Have you been in a similar circumstance? Because if you haven't, you have no idea what does and does not need to be said!

I am not saying that I don't sympathise with his situation. It is hard to be that young and have these type of choices to make. And no, I don't know what it is like to live in the States at that age. Here in Australia we have numerous resources to help us in these situations at that age. But I do understand what it is like to have doubts and express them at that age. I did just that, and went through the works, elders meetings, arguments, the sick feeling in the pit of your stomach. But you come out of it a better person. It may seem that there is no way out while you are in the middle of it, but things do and will get better.

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I have to aux pioneer?

by thebiggestlie in

ok so apparently the gb has instutuited some kind of quota for aux pioneers for the month of april for the memorial or something.

so the pos wife came up to me yesterday and told me "every congregation needs at least 16 aux pioneers for the month of april.

you should can i count on you?

winnie

winnie, he's 17 and lives at home with his parents. It's not quite that simple all the time.

It's as simple, or as hard, as you choose to make it!

What is the point of leading a double life?

Sooner or later you are bound to be found out!

17yo is old enough to stand up for what you believe is right (or not).

17 is old enough to move out and get a job, or alternatively, share with friends/relatives that are not JW's.

17 is old enough in 'the organizations' eyes to be accountable for your actions.

What good is it going to do going to the meetings/field service and then posting on this forum how much you hate it?

People respect you more as a person when you stand up for what you belive in, regardless of age.

Respect yourself, and stop living a lie.

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I have to aux pioneer?

by thebiggestlie in

ok so apparently the gb has instutuited some kind of quota for aux pioneers for the month of april for the memorial or something.

so the pos wife came up to me yesterday and told me "every congregation needs at least 16 aux pioneers for the month of april.

you should can i count on you?

winnie

you say that you have vowed never to aux pioneer again,does that mean you are still or will continue to be a jw

do you want to leave the jw s,if so what is stopping you

this may sound harsh but sitting on a computer complaining then going to meetings is a bit strange

i do get cranky when i read postings from someone who is clearly active and yet can not wait to get home from meeting and post the latest juicy gossip

stand up for your convictions one side or other

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Definition of a true christian according to the latest JW mags.

by winnie in

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if you read my earlier post, you know i received a card in my mailbox inviting us to 'return to jehovah and our family'.

along with this, came the latest 2 wt and awake mags (march i think).. i didn't read them, but my hubby glanced through them out of interest and came across an article with their list of what defines a true christion.. # 1 - love jehovah.

# 2 - donate to the world wide preaching work (!!!!!!!!!).

winnie

If you read my earlier post, you know I received a card in my mailbox inviting us to 'return to Jehovah and our family'. #$*@

Along with this, came the latest 2 WT and awake mags (March I think).

I didn't read them, but my hubby glanced through them out of interest and came across an article with their list of what defines a true christion.

# 1 - Love Jehovah

# 2 - Donate to the world wide preaching work (!!!!!!!!!)

This is as far as he got before throwing them away!

I'm just suprised that money doesn't top the list!

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Really Bad Day Today!

by winnie in

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i woke up to my kids all sick, a letter in the mailbox (put there sneakily sometime early this morning) saying that we should 'return to serve jehovah and become one of the family again' (cannot understand the association of meeting attendance = being part of a family.

family is family no matter what they choose to believe.

) and to top it all off, our 10 year old dog who has been really sick past week, had to be put down a couple of hours ago.

winnie

Thanks everyone.

And I kinda' thought my day was a bit like a butt crack

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Really Bad Day Today!

by winnie in

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i woke up to my kids all sick, a letter in the mailbox (put there sneakily sometime early this morning) saying that we should 'return to serve jehovah and become one of the family again' (cannot understand the association of meeting attendance = being part of a family.

family is family no matter what they choose to believe.

) and to top it all off, our 10 year old dog who has been really sick past week, had to be put down a couple of hours ago.

winnie

I woke up to my kids all sick, a letter in the mailbox (put there sneakily sometime early this morning) saying that we should 'return to serve Jehovah and become one of the family again' (cannot understand the association of meeting attendance = being part of a family. Family is family no matter what they choose to believe.) and to top it all off, our 10 year old dog who has been really sick past week, had to be put down a couple of hours ago. And we are not even 3/4 of way through day!!! Should never have woken up!

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Will the change to the Watchtower be followed by a change to the meetings?

by yaddayadda in

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i expect that a significant change to the meetings is on the horizon, most probably in the form of a shift of the bookstudy from a weeknight to a condensed saturday morning version.

some congregations already hold bookstudy groups on saturday mornings.

a universal change to this for the whole organisation make senses as it would help resolve a number of growing problems for the society, specifically, meeting attendance is clearly diminishing at the rate of knots in the western world, many elders are burning out and resigning because they cannot cope with all the pressure heaped up on them that so many meetings in no small measure contributes towards, and magazine 'sales' are apparently down and such a change would work in very well with the upcoming new change to the watchtower magazine in january 2008. .

winnie

Have I missed something? Could someone tell me what this change to the Watchtower is?