I can't remember anything in the Bible having to do with pedophilia, but a good place to start would be the Society's recent condemnation of it. I believe I recall their citing a scripture to support their condemnation. However, I would not be surprised if the Bible does not contain one. The subjection of children, women, slaves, and foreigners to men in ancient times could be almost absolute. In Greece and Rome (though in Rome laws were eventually made to protect freeborn children from abuse) girls were looked at as dangerously potent and in need of a male influence to tame them as soon as they hit puberty. Thus, it was not unusual for a 13-year-old girl to be married off to a 30-year-old man. This abduction (for marriages were ritualized abductions) was made even more traumatic due to the fact that girls were isolated from and taught to distrust men, and were kept quite ignorant, while an adult male would have a wealth of confidence and experience (sexual, intellectual, political, etc.). I believe this might be another example (cf. their apocalypticism) of a way in which JWs preserve one of the negative aspects of the primitive Judeo-Christian tradition. I don't think the Jews' condemnation of male homosex (female homosex is not mentioned, and this is significant for a variety of reasons) has so much to do with a concern about object choice (the main concern of modern Christians, which they import into their reading of the texts) as it has to do with notions of proper male roles, the centrality of procreation, and avoidance of what was perceived to be a pagan practice. Thus, since object choice per se was not a notion that occupied their minds, it's unlikely that you'll find a condemnation of having sex with someone based on their age.
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is a homosexual as bad as a paodophile to a jw ?
by looloo inthe same guy that spoke to my mum on the doors yesterday was talking about them in the same catergory , aswell as saying that there are alot of 13 to 15 year old girls hanging around the local night club looking for a one night stands (she should of asked him how he knew about this , is that because he is there ?
) his point was is a man of 25 that picks up a 15 year old plastered in makeup at a nightclub a paedophile ?
which was totally irrelevant to the point she was making about the local ex min servant that had abused his daughters friends in the cong even though he was good friends with thier parents and had known the girls since birth , so did know they were underage .
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What Homophobia REALLY means.
by darkuncle29 ini know from my own life experience, that repressed sexual expression leads to externalizing that repression and projecting it upon others.
fear, anger, and self loathing is the bottom line.
when i finially was freed of the jw beliefs, and then later came out to friends (actually, i was outed), i had a new awareness dawn on me one day.
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That makes sense, darkuncle. I think we all try to be ourselves in spite of all the influences around us. When I first came out, I played around with a few of the "gay" mannerisms, in part to see if they felt natural, but in part to attempt to make that aspect of my personality more evident. However, that felt just as conventional as when I felt obligated to act straight. Now, I try to behave authentically whenever I can. When my flame is burning bright, I enjoy the glitter and dramatic playfulness in myself. At other times, even my most homophobic-homo friends have nothing to criticize about me.
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What Homophobia REALLY means.
by darkuncle29 ini know from my own life experience, that repressed sexual expression leads to externalizing that repression and projecting it upon others.
fear, anger, and self loathing is the bottom line.
when i finially was freed of the jw beliefs, and then later came out to friends (actually, i was outed), i had a new awareness dawn on me one day.
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Real One, you keep saying that. Most religious people couch their judgments in the language of scripture. Quoting scriptures is one of the easiest ways to pronounce judgments on others while appealing to another's (God's) authority. However, you would be more precise to say, "I don't explicitly judge; I just paraphrase notions I think are scriptural and occasionally quote a scripture, allowing my judgments to remain largely implicit." You quote the Bible far, far less than, say, Narkissos or Leolaia when they are in full form.
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What Homophobia REALLY means.
by darkuncle29 ini know from my own life experience, that repressed sexual expression leads to externalizing that repression and projecting it upon others.
fear, anger, and self loathing is the bottom line.
when i finially was freed of the jw beliefs, and then later came out to friends (actually, i was outed), i had a new awareness dawn on me one day.
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I'm with you Billy; I think jstalin's avatar is sexy too. And I'm what I'd like to call homophobic-homos-phobic. That is, I dislike it immensely when gay folks (people who are "out", not the closeted homophobes) I know pick on other gays for being too "queeny". Just because they hate themselves doesn't mean everyone else should. With homophobic-homos around, it's easier to behave and dress in ways that our society arbitrarily associates with gayness if you're straight than if you actually are gay. A lot of it can be explained as, in my opinion, a kind of disguised misogyny. The characteristics which we, by convention, designate as feminine can be criticized, derided, and stigmatized in a man in a way that would be unacceptable if directed at a woman. Likewise, I find that a lot of racism is disguised as a kind of intellectual or economic elitism. Sexist and racist language is avoided, but the underlying problems are still there.
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is a homosexual as bad as a paodophile to a jw ?
by looloo inthe same guy that spoke to my mum on the doors yesterday was talking about them in the same catergory , aswell as saying that there are alot of 13 to 15 year old girls hanging around the local night club looking for a one night stands (she should of asked him how he knew about this , is that because he is there ?
) his point was is a man of 25 that picks up a 15 year old plastered in makeup at a nightclub a paedophile ?
which was totally irrelevant to the point she was making about the local ex min servant that had abused his daughters friends in the cong even though he was good friends with thier parents and had known the girls since birth , so did know they were underage .
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Real one's notion that all sins are equally sin fits in with his simplistic notions about the universe, but, as in this case, it leads to repugnant results. He wants the Bible to be a simple rule book with an internally-consistent theology, and he recoils from the fact that the Bible is a complex (and inconsistent) library of smaller texts composed of still smaller units, each of which has a unique origin and history. He's being intellectually and morally lazy. He wants simple answers to complex ethical questions, but he's not even willing to spend the effort necessary to determine whether his holy books really (and consistently) contain the precise position he is advocating. And look at the consequence: Even if homosexuality is a "sin" (whatever that most loaded of words means) the way breaking Caesar's speed limit laws is a "sin", it's disgusting to say these sins are equal to the sin of molesting children. Sure. Some parts of the Bible seem to advocate this way of thinking. By means of it, people are reduced to guilt-ridden infants who, after being filled with a sense of relief and gratitude for their forgiveness, enslave themselves to masters who are usually slaves themselves. But other parts of the Bible do not naturally harmonize with this infantile, slavish perspective. There are some truly profound statements in the Bible. But the foolish neglect them, and the wise seem to be increasingly disinclined to search for them there because the Bible's most vocal adherents are folks like Real One.
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Heard any good pick up lines lately?
by Bumble Bee ini heard one recently from a paramedic.
he said he uses the line "take off all your clothes, lay down on the stretcher and do everything the nice paramedic tells you".
i lauged so hard when he said it.
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www.linesthataregood.com has some wild ones. One of my favorites is, "I would look good on you."
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Did anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? Carl Rove should be imprisioned.
by dawg inok, so we know for a fact the bush administration lied us into a war in which we never should have engaged.
we know they fix scientific data to meet the needs of the special interest groups who make up their constituency.
but did you know the bush team, lead by carl rove, fixed it so a governor would go to jail?...
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Those were meant as generalizing quotes; I'm sorry if I seemed to be attributing that sentiment to you. You're right. Singleman does not deserve what has happened to him. I was just questioning the use of prison as the default solution to social problems. The prison system in this country has gotten completely out of hand. I don't think financial, political, or health/drug crimes are properly addressed by imprisonment. But it's all terribly complex, and I don't see an obvious solution.
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Did anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? Carl Rove should be imprisioned.
by dawg inok, so we know for a fact the bush administration lied us into a war in which we never should have engaged.
we know they fix scientific data to meet the needs of the special interest groups who make up their constituency.
but did you know the bush team, lead by carl rove, fixed it so a governor would go to jail?...
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Dawg,
No. I'm not kidding. I understand the desire to punish people for doing wrong; the desire is very much present in me. But I have as of late been trying to pause and analyze my desires. Retributive punishments seem to perpetuate cycles of violence. I'm not denying the concepts of personal agency and responsibility; Rove should not be given power since he has demonstrated a tendency to abuse it. But this idea of hurting people, of stealing years from their life, is an idea that I think is worth questioning. The notion of "punishment" is not a very healthy one; or, maybe it would be better to say it's not as mature as I would like in an ideal world. Animals bite if they are bitten; children hit back if they are struck. I think we can do better. If by "punishment" we clearly meant "reform", "cure", or at least "modification of one's social status to better correspond to the area of activity in which one can be trusted", I would not have the reservations I do. I'm not saying I have any clear notion of how to resolve many of the doubts I have about our justice system. But I am rather certain the answers to our problems will be more complex than "Throw the bastards in jail!" or "Kill them all!" I feel like this approach more often attacks the symptoms of our social problems without addressing the root causes, the flaws in the very foundation of our society. -
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Did anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? Carl Rove should be imprisioned.
by dawg inok, so we know for a fact the bush administration lied us into a war in which we never should have engaged.
we know they fix scientific data to meet the needs of the special interest groups who make up their constituency.
but did you know the bush team, lead by carl rove, fixed it so a governor would go to jail?...
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veradico
You want to imprison Rove for having this governor imprisoned. It seems to me that our use of the judicial system to satisfy a desire for revenge is unhealthy. I agree that some of the people who are in prison need to be locked away because they are sociopaths, rapists, and molesters, and are consequently dangerous in a way that cannot at this point be healed. But many of the people who are in prison would not have been in prison if our society did not have certain basic flaws (access to education, basic necessities, an environment that empowers its members instead of filling them with a sense of victimization, racism, sexism, etc.), and the prison system does little to solve these basic problems. In many ways, it perpetuates and intensifies them by continuing to marginalize these people.
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this could have come from the pages of The Golden Age
by veradico inhttp://monatomicgold.co.uk/index.php?a=davidicke
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I just got a strange message from someone named Tula, who seems to take seriously the claims about monatomic gold and the Illuminati. I told her I'd pass her warning on to the rest of you. She states:
I saw your post on the "gold formula". Here is some info you might find useful. I would have posted it in your thread, but I am banned from posting on the board now. I think this is important precautionary info:
Precautionary note from Ken Adachi:
[Readers should be aware that Anna Hayes mentions in her books that taking mono atomic gold is ultimately harmful. She claims that the initial growth of psychic awareness is not permanent, but rather levels off and later declines. Further, she says that the promotion of mono atomic gold is an Illuminati deception. While attracting the public with sugar plums of enhanced psychic clarity and improved health, the ulterior purpose of promoting mono atomic gold is to cause the destruction of the ten additional virtual DNA strands which all humans possess and which are now manifesting into 3D reality as seen with the 3, 4, or even 5 strands of DNA that now show up in the blood of Blue Indigo (Millennium) children.
The destruction of the ten virtual DNA strands (unseen with 3rd dimension microscopes, but nevertheless still there in the higher 4th dimensional vibratory plane) prevents a human from activating these higher dimensional DNA strands and prevents access to higher spiritual awareness and telepathic abilities, as humans and mother Earth gradually increase our base vibratory frequency and ascend into the fourth dimension (a process that began in 1987 and will likely reach completion somewhere between 2018 and 2025). The activation of more than two strands of DNA is apparently necessary to exist in physical form in the fourth dimension. So now, the hidden purpose behind the promotion of mono atomic gold is perhaps becoming more evident: the Illuminati, the militarists, the satanists, the corrupt politicians, etc., and all those who serve the Dark Master, Lucifer, will not be allowed to reincarnate on a fourth dimensional Earth.
Thus, being confined to the 3rd dimension, the Illuminati wishes to keep their human slaves with them and not lose them to the joy, peace, and freedom of a higher dimensional Earth. When you consider that Sir Laurence Gardner, a high Illuminati insider (and full blooded Reptilian) has been continuously touting the glories of mono atomic gold in every radio interview show he's appeared on for the past few years (along with William Henry), you have to ask yourself, "should I embrace the recommendations of a satanist and high Illuminati front man or should I be running in the opposite direction as fast as I can?"]
Excerpt from Chap. 10C, The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave