Posts by dubla

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WORLD OF LIES COMING UNRAVELED

by You Know in

some historians date the beginning of the end of the soviet empire to the chernobyl disaster, for the reason that for several days after the explosion, as the radioactive cloud floated quietly over europe, the soviet government said nothing to warn people of the dangers that may have minimized some of the exposure.

it ruined their credibility, from which they never recovered.

presently, the whole capitalist system has an even worse credibility problem.

dubla

yk-

i realize that calling me delusional is one of the ways you can discredit me (in your mind), but the logic behind your statements is severely flawed, and ill tell you why.

Technically, yes. Although I wouldn't use the word "believe" in the past tense.

first off, i want to address this, then we will get into your faulty logic. you do know i was only kidding about others being delusional, right? i was poking fun at the way you take past predictions about the market and use them against the predictors (calling them conmen and such), when you in fact have made a hundred predictions that havent remotely come true. i know yours are different, and its not the same, blah blah, but i was only tossing a little humor your way with those statements.

now on to your logic of me and my "delusions".....

According to that definiton and your own view of the markets, ....you are certifiably delusional.

we can stop right here....no need for the rest of your post. my "view of the markets"? i assume you mean the comment i made about confidence levels falling, and how that probably means a bull market is ahead.......well, one thing you have to remember, is that for it to fall perfectly into pattern, the confidence levels would have to fall through the floor from where they are now. they are NO WHERE NEAR their lows, the lows that preceeded the big bull markets. for one thing, we had (technically) a bear market from 1972-1982. that was 10 YEARS before the confidence levels finally hit rock bottom, and then the bulls ran. so for you to talk about my "view of the markets", as if i think we are at the end of this bear market run is just stupid. maybe i should be more careful in qualifying my remarks......but i did say "if" the confidence levels continue to fall its "all the more reason.....etc". theres no saying they will. hell, a month after the biggest terrorist attack in history the confidence levels were already soaring again, so who knows. personally, i have no idea if the market is going to go up from here, or go sideways for 10 years, or go straight down and crash. i have said MANY MANY times to you personally (several on the wager thread alone) that it wouldnt surprise me one bit if the markets crashed, completely. so how am i delusional? i believe if you simply look back a couple posts on this thread alone, youll see i talked about the possibility of the dow dropping to 5000 (which would probably put the nasdaq around 500).....yet my view of the markets makes me delusional? you cant run with one statement yk, go back and check all of our old arguments, and youll see i havent made ONE definitive prediction about the downtrend being over......and if i HAD to guess, id say its not over yet, not by a long shot. i do think we will have tradeable rallies in the meantime though, but i think weve got awhile yet before the markets turn for the good (for an extended stretch). you might be interested to know that i dont discount your theory on ge, jp morgan, etc., either. it really wouldnt surprise me to see some of the big ones go, and thats why i left open the possibility of the dow hitting 5000 (or lower, who knows). if ge goes, i think the market will promptly drop a good 2000 points, minimum. i still hold out hope that the big guns like ge dont have these same problems, but im realistic, and i can see just like any other intelligent person, that when theres one bad apple, theres a bunch....even the simplest of investors are seeing that now....even cnbc cant hide it. so, having refreshed your memory about my true "view of the markets", please find another reason to call me delusional......youve never been short of those, lol.

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Edited by - dubla on 3 July 2002 10:10:39

51

Norwegians Harm Whales

by Magog in

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norway to defy ban, resume whale exports to iceland.

by inger sethov .

oslo (reuters) - norway said friday it would defy an international ban on commercial whaling and resume exports of whale meat to iceland after a 14-year break.

dubla

I have a problem with dropping a large bomb on a civilian town because maybe someone fired from the vicinity of it, yes.
And areas don't fire at people. People do.

heres an excerpt from a cnn article (dated today):

Gunfire from the AC-130 gunship was directed against anti-aircraft artillery sites that had engaged U.S. aircraft, the officials said. U.S. forces had been targeted by anti-aircraft artillery fire the night before Monday's attack, U.S. defense officials said.

U.S. military sources said the target sites had been under reconnaissance by U.S. Special Forces since late last week and there was information Taliban or Al Qaeda personnel were hiding in the region. U.S. forces are still in the region, looking for enemy forces trying to flee.

Abdullah was asked if he thought al Qaeda leaders Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden were alive. Abdullah said he did, but had no idea where they are.

Despite Afghan government reports that wedding attendees were firing into the air in celebration, a U.S. military spokesman in Afghanistan said the celebratory fire did not provoke the attack.

"Normally, when you think of celebratory fire ... it's random, it's sprayed, it's not directed at a specific target," said Col. Roger King. "In this instance, the people on board the aircraft felt that the weapons were tracking them and were making a sustained effort to engage them."

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/07/02/afghanistan.bombing/index.html

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Edited by - dubla on 2 July 2002 16:19:1

49

I'm Gone

by TR in

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those who want to keep in touch via email certainly are welcome to.. i've just had it up to my gills with anti-american b.s., and i have little if any interest in jw issues lately with the exception of silentlambs.. see ya.. tr.

dubla

no tr! who will interject this link into all of yks threads? >>> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=27185&site=3

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155

WORLD OF LIES COMING UNRAVELED

by You Know in

some historians date the beginning of the end of the soviet empire to the chernobyl disaster, for the reason that for several days after the explosion, as the radioactive cloud floated quietly over europe, the soviet government said nothing to warn people of the dangers that may have minimized some of the exposure.

it ruined their credibility, from which they never recovered.

presently, the whole capitalist system has an even worse credibility problem.

dubla

if you believe that you are laboring under a delusion......Back a couple of years ago when the tech wreck first occurred the bulls were all saying that the market would come back. I didnt.

so, that makes anyone who believed that the market would come back delusional? perhaps we should apply this line of reasoning to your past predictions and see whether you fall into the "delusional" category as well.

Then when there was talk of a recession the bulls said that that wouldnt happen. They were wrong.

so, that makes anyone who believed that the recession wouldnt happen delusional? perhaps we should apply this line of reasoning to your past predictions and see whether you fall into the "delusional" category as well.

lol, in all seriousness though, just for the record i have never said "this quarter the market will come back", or, "the recession wont happen", and i of course realize that the bulls are always MUCH too bullish, just as the bears (like yourself) can only see the negative. there are always going to be two extremes, and i agree with you that no one should blindly follow either. apparently you think i blindly follow the bulls, which i do not. i merely talked about some statistical FACTS that shed light on market reaction to negative confidence levels and negative sentiment. does market history dictate market future? no, anything can happen.....this is just whats happened EVERY OTHER TIME that consumer confidence/investor sentiment has hit its lows. no one can predict the future of course......you should know that by now as well as anyone, lol.

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Edited by - dubla on 2 July 2002 15:44:42

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Norwegians Harm Whales

by Magog in

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norway to defy ban, resume whale exports to iceland.

by inger sethov .

oslo (reuters) - norway said friday it would defy an international ban on commercial whaling and resume exports of whale meat to iceland after a 14-year break.

dubla

I have a problem with dropping a large bomb on a civilian town because maybe someone fired from the vicinity of it, yes.
And areas don't fire at people. People do.

i think a quote of mine from the other now infamous thread might fit nicely here:

weve got people on this thread condemning the media for not telling the whole truth about anything, and these same people are taking the media version of the bombings and running with how terrible the u.s. is for these acts. hmmm..... (if this is incorrect, and some of you have spoken personally to the pilots involved, please correct me).

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51

Norwegians Harm Whales

by Magog in

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friends

norway to defy ban, resume whale exports to iceland.

by inger sethov .

oslo (reuters) - norway said friday it would defy an international ban on commercial whaling and resume exports of whale meat to iceland after a 14-year break.

dubla

Or perhaps this was more satire?

sarcasm yes.....in the last thread you seemed to have a problem with the fact that u.s. soldiers fired on an area that was apparently firing on them FIRST, so yeah, i thought id throw a sarcastic remark back at you about the rules of engagement.

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51

Norwegians Harm Whales

by Magog in

jw
friends

norway to defy ban, resume whale exports to iceland.

by inger sethov .

oslo (reuters) - norway said friday it would defy an international ban on commercial whaling and resume exports of whale meat to iceland after a 14-year break.

dubla

That about sums it up, yes.
- Jan

youknowesque, very nice.

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51

Norwegians Harm Whales

by Magog in

jw
friends

norway to defy ban, resume whale exports to iceland.

by inger sethov .

oslo (reuters) - norway said friday it would defy an international ban on commercial whaling and resume exports of whale meat to iceland after a 14-year break.

dubla

and as far as rules of engagement go, btw, i have no problem with "do not fire unless fired upon", which is apparently the rule you are questioning?

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51

Norwegians Harm Whales

by Magog in

jw
friends

norway to defy ban, resume whale exports to iceland.

by inger sethov .

oslo (reuters) - norway said friday it would defy an international ban on commercial whaling and resume exports of whale meat to iceland after a 14-year break.

dubla

jan-

well, perhaps i was confused by your statement. i assumed by this...

, it shows how little non-American lives matter. Ask any non-US gulf veteran.

....that you meant ask a non-us gulf veteran about non-american lives, and youll get the answer that non-american lives matter little. then this statement, by you, seemed to back up that thought:

To Americans, non-American lives are not worth shit.

and if you cant see that last quote was bigoted, then further explanations will be wasted entirely.

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Edited by - dubla on 2 July 2002 15:14:1

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Norwegians Harm Whales

by Magog in

jw
friends

norway to defy ban, resume whale exports to iceland.

by inger sethov .

oslo (reuters) - norway said friday it would defy an international ban on commercial whaling and resume exports of whale meat to iceland after a 14-year break.

dubla

jan-

you continue to surprise me....please tell me that you arent as dense as you are coming across here. its getting painful to read, so im compelled to comment.

I did deal with the whaling argument (which you say is both what your posting was about and what it wasn't about; make up your mind!).

ITS SATIRE......a lot of us got in on the first run, but you apparently still cannot get it. magog was using sarcasm to poke at your bigoted view of americans! here, compare these two quotes:

janh-

If their actions the last months have not been deliberate attempts to piss off the rest of the world, they have little idea about what goes on outside their country. While this latest disaster was undoubtedly an accident, it shows how little non-American lives matter. Ask any non-US gulf veteran.
I actually suspect the Bush administration deliberately alienate the rest of the world because they hope it will help get Bush reelected. If some reactions from 'patriots' here are representative, this may well succeed.

(btw, let me add here that you insinuated every non-us gulf veteran could care less about non-american lives, WAY BEFORE lisa or anyone else "instigated" you as you claim)

magog-

Arrogant Norwegians don't care about these poor endangered creatures. Norwegians terrorize this vulnerable species. If only Norwegians would look outside their own little dark country to see what the rest of the world thinks of them. Norwegians just don't understand anything because of their ignorance of the environment. Their radical, selfish left-winged government [is probably in cahoots with Osama bin Laden.

cant you see the INTENDED similarities here? cant you see this thread had really little to do with whaling, and much to do with your bigoted statements?

if thats not enough for you, compare these two quotes:

janh-

Incidentally, the comments on this thread, especially the tasteless ones by LDH, just demonstrates my point. To Americans, non-American lives are not worth shit.

magog-

Those who defend Norwegians and Norway, thank you. You help make the point.

are you seeing the similarities yet? its a PARODY of YOUR bigoted statements.

You now backtrack completely and argue that your whole idea was to explain how this criticism was perceived by Americans. In an earlier posting, you said that the criticism of Americans was unfair. Now it suddenly doesn't need to be unfair.

WHAT?? are you really missing it all this badly? READ THIS QUOTE CAREFULLY:

The issue is not about whaling. It is intended to show how many comments sound to Americans.

explanation: the issue HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH whaling, its actually about how YOUR previous comments sounded to americans, and intelligent readers in general for that matter. the whole purpose of this thread was to show just how unfair and unitelligent stereotyping an ENTIRE country is.

Essentially, your latest posting is a long big non-apology apology telling us you didn't really mean anything at all with the thread you started,

actually, magogs latest post wasnt that at all. it was a black and white explanation of parody, and how it works to prove a point......but you still couldnt see it, even in black and white, so i thought id bread it down further in simple terms and use a few quotes to compare. magog has great patience in these explanations, i do not......this will be my only attempt, so i hope this helped.

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Edited by - dubla on 2 July 2002 14:54:51