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  SEE THE REAL FACE OF WAR, SEE THE LIBERATION

  by Adam in

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  baghdad (afp) - more than 100 children held in a prison celebrated their freedom as us marines rolled into northeast baghdad amid chaotic scenes which saw civilians loot weapons from an army compound, a us officer said.. around 150 children spilled out of the jail after the gates were opened as a us military humvee vehicle approached, lieutenant colonel fred padilla told an afp correspondent travelling with the marines 5th regiment.

  "hundreds of kids were swarming us and kissing us," padilla said.. there were parents running up, so happy to have their kids back.

  "the children had been imprisoned because they had not joined the youth branch of the baath party," he alleged.

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  yes, we are truly forcing democracy on these people that clearly hate america, hate bush, and have no wish to be liberated............

  With the regime's feared security forces nowhere to be seen, Iraqis also dared cheer U.S. troops and attack the symbols of Saddam Hussein' rule.

  In front of the Oil Ministry, a man clambered up a statue of Saddam, sat on its shoulder and bashed its head with a stone slab. Others beat it with their shoes.

  They danced in the streets, waving rifles, palm fronds and flags, and defaced posters of the longtime Iraqi president — acts that would have been unthinkable days or weeks before.

  American troops moving through the Iraqi capital — at one point, running an armored column through a main square — drew instant crowds.

  One unit was swarmed by cheering Iraqis, with women lifting their babies for the soldiers to kiss. Young men shouted, "Bush No. 1, Bush No. 1."

  "Everyone must go one day — even prophets die. We are relieved because for years we lived in anxiety and fear," said Shamoun George, a resident of Baghdad's Karrada district, as two U.S. tasks pulled in.

  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83655,00.html

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  Rubber Bullets Used On Oakland War Protesters

  by Pleasuredome in

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  you dont think the us admin will start to set up anti-war townships aswell, do you you?

  is this the sort of freedom the aparthied south africa us offers?

  http://www.rense.com/general36/rubberbullets.htm

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  simon-

  To use "riot control" tactics to stop people protesting does seema little heavy handed.

  i think so too, as i already said the police overreacted.....but......to play devils advocate, "riot control" tactics should probably be used if a protest is turning into a "riot", right? and when rocks and bolts come hurling out of a crowd, im sure its hard to tell from the officers standpoint if it indeed is turning into a riot, or if its just one or two people getting violent. judgement calls like this almost always end in criticism of the police, and this time they probably deserve it......the protestors that decided to get violent were no doubt partly to blame though.

  robyn-

  BTW, I can assure you that I am no hypocrite. It's getting dangerous to protest and yet some of us are still doing it. What is hypocritical about that?

  i dont think protesting is hypocritical in and of itself...and i was certainly not trying to label you a hypocrite. i was labeling the violent protestors as hypocrites...and i stand by that. you cant go around causing more violence in order to bring attention to the "peace" cause without looking hypocritical, imo.

  and no rush on the responses....ill appreciate reading them, thanks.

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  Rubber Bullets Used On Oakland War Protesters

  by Pleasuredome in

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  you dont think the us admin will start to set up anti-war townships aswell, do you you?

  is this the sort of freedom the aparthied south africa us offers?

  http://www.rense.com/general36/rubberbullets.htm

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  robyn-

  In answer to your first question, no. I honestly do not think that Iraq will be more peaceful for the Iraqi people.

  can i push you on that one a bit? why dont you think it will be a more peaceful country in the long run? what types of violence do you think will replace saddams genocidal rule? will it be worse? more violent? will the new government oppress the people just as much or more as saddams government?

  Also, I think that they will wind up hating the infidels who forced democracy on them.

  i keep hearing this argument, even as i witness a huge crowd of iraqis dancing and cheering in the streets of baghdad this morning. can i push you on that one as well? i asked this question on another thread, and got no answer....so here goes.......how are we "forcing" democracy on iraq? is it their true "culture and tradition" to have a murderous dictator, rather than a popular voice? will they be worse off as a people by having a voice in how their government is run? is it just that they would rather sit back and be dictated to...and thus they will "hate" us for their newfound opportunity to speak?

  In answer to your other question. Yes. It gets the point across. Besides, all causes need martyrs.

  to me they are complete hypocrites, but i understand what you are saying, and respect your opinion.

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  U.S. Say It May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site

  by Yizuman in

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  from: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473.

  near baghdad (reuters) - u.s. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an iraqi storage site for chemical weapons, a u.s. officer told reuters on monday.

  a military source who declined to be identified said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin -- a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation -- at the site.

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  xenawarrior-

  I don't find the above statement to be anti- american in any way and I highly doubt any of the troop supporters would either. When I read what Simon said about his "comments here" I took it to mean on this board in general and not that particular phrase.

  well, if thats what he meant, his statement doesnt make much sense......read it again, and ill highlight the portion that indicates he must have been talking about that particular phrase, and not just this board in general.........

  It's interesting that some people were linking to my comments here as an example of my "rabid anti-Americanism". They skimmed passed the first bit where I say it would be good if they found them and misread the second bit.

  i thought it was quite odd that anyone would take those comments as antiamerican, which is why i was asking for a link.....simon then said that it had been locked up, and he didnt have a link. now, if he was simply talking about his "comments on the board in general", that couldnt have been "locked up", as he already posted someones statement about his being antiamerican. does this make sense, or am i just confusing the issue now? maybe he was just guessing that they were referring to those particular comments, i dunno. aa
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  Which are you? Emotional or Intellectual?

  by Yizuman in

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  after observing the two sides arguing about the war with iraq, i have come to see 2 kinds of groups, not just the argument from conservatives and liberals, but from those who think with either from their intellectual or emotional standpoints...... from the emotional standpoints who oppose the war, which i would call the "oprah thinkers", these are the group of people who think with their emotional part of the brain rather than the intellectual part of the brain.

  the oprah thinkers likes to cry alot and dab their eyes with a hankerchef.

  they get outraged when a human being regardless of their background (good or evil) gets killed for whatever reason it may be.. then there are those who support the war, which i would call the "spock thinkers", who think from the intellectual part of the brain rather than from the emotional part of the brain.

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  "i have always felt that there....." WHAT?? spit it out man!

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  SEE THE REAL FACE OF THE WAR IN IRAQ, SEE THE HORROR

  by justhuman in

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  since the media in u.s show nothing about the war in iraq, and bush's administration censor everything that is "bad' for the puplic, here are some shocking photos of how bush is setting free the iraqi people.

  similar view of how watchtower's god will treat everyone who disagrees with them in armageddon.

  bush does not care about the iraqi people.

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  d8ta-

  Isn't grand that this is how "peace and freedom" is accomplished, by everyone in the world denying their cultural and traditional background so they may wave the Stars and Stripes?

  i keep seeing this argument, about how we deny the iraqis (or whoever) their cultural background and force democracy upon them. so, is a murderous dictatorship their "cultural background"? are the people of iraq going to be better or worse off when they actually have a voice in how their country is run? i have a hard time understanding how theyd be worse off......but maybe it is simply because i do not know enough about their "tradition". im not trying to simply be a smartass here either.....id appreciate being enlightened on the subject.

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  There are 37 days until The Matrix: Reloaded

  by Yizuman in

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  i can't wait!!!

  spoiler alert below........don't view if you don't want to be spoiled.... .

  you have been warned!!

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  that soon?? we were just talking about this last night.....my girlfriend asked me when it was coming out, and i said i though it was this summer.....wow, only a month away, cant wait.

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  U.S. Say It May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site

  by Yizuman in

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  from: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473.

  near baghdad (reuters) - u.s. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an iraqi storage site for chemical weapons, a u.s. officer told reuters on monday.

  a military source who declined to be identified said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin -- a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation -- at the site.

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  realist-

  in my opinion the war would still be unjustified since there would have been better ways to handle the situation and since hussein didn't post a threat to anyone.

  yes, youve made that clear...and im sure others feel the same way you do, as far as it not being justified either way. there is a large crowd of skeptics though, many on this board, that point to the "lack of evidence" for these wmd as the main reason (or one of the main reasons) that they feel we are unjustified in our military action. as far as hussein posing a threat, i respect your opinion that even with wmd he didnt pose one, although i still strongly disagree with it. it goes back to our whole "he is a madman"/"he isnt a madman" argument, which im sure youll agree we dont need to rehash at this time.

  also i wanted to ask you why you trust the bush admin (or any admin for that matter) so much? it was already proven that several if not most of the "facts" presented by powell to the UN were faked (and in a very bold and poorly done way).

  in answer to your question, first off....i do not trust the bush administration, period. i dont trust politicians, period. do i agree with the bush administration that we have proof of saddams wmd? yes i do, and it has nothing to do the "facts" presented by powell. my mind was made up long before that meeting....and my logic has been, and still is, simple. saddam had them, and admitted as much. saddam couldnt prove that he destroyed them. in my mind, this wouldnt have been that hard to do, as such actions wouldve been well documented, on paper, and probably on video (their disposal that is)......so by simple logic they are still there. the inspectors hadnt finished finding, documenting, and destroying what we knew he had '98 when they were kicked out, and we are just supposed to take his word for it that between '98 and now, hes gotten rid of it all? sorry, doesnt fly with me.

  someone also posed the question: "why the need to play games with the inspectors for all these years if he had no wmd?" a valid question imo.

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  U.S. Say It May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site

  by Yizuman in

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  from: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473.

  near baghdad (reuters) - u.s. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an iraqi storage site for chemical weapons, a u.s. officer told reuters on monday.

  a military source who declined to be identified said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin -- a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation -- at the site.

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  simon-

  ah, on the "other" board, eh? k, np...i just thought that was a pretty "out there" accusation to make based on those comments. i certainly wouldnt personally label them as anti-american at all whatsoever, and i dont think most of the prowar crowd would, just to put my two cents in. we arent all in unison on some campaign against the antiwar side, trying to prove them all unpatriotic and antiamerican......though i think that we get portrayed that way quite a bit.

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  U.S. Say It May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site

  by Yizuman in

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  from: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473.

  near baghdad (reuters) - u.s. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an iraqi storage site for chemical weapons, a u.s. officer told reuters on monday.

  a military source who declined to be identified said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin -- a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation -- at the site.

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  bttt for simon....if you get the time, id love to read that link....thanks,

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