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Posts by dubla
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48Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
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just to give you an idea of what i meant when i was referring to past truce agreements that had been rejected....heres a couple of clips from a 2001 article......
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eleizer said Wednesday he has instructed the Israel Defense Forces to implement the Tenet truce plan over the coming week.
In the West Bank and Gaza, Palestinian groups denounced the deal, saying they should be allowed to continue the Palestinian uprising, or Intifada, as it is called.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/06/13/mideast.02/index.html
wow, i just showed that at one time, israel was offering a truce, and the palestinians were rejecting it.....but that really doesnt have much bearing on the CURRENT agreement that is IN PLACE, does it? are you starting to understand now?
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
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When I told you that your comments were Powell like, I was following on from what Realist said. He said it, you rebutted it, I backed it up. I didn't just copy what he said; please, don't downgrade your level of discussion futher by using schoolboy tactics
there are no "schoolboy tactics" here, i just thought it was funny that you were repeating a quip from someone else, as if it was your own. but hey, if you are simply "backing it up", please show me how any of my comments have been similar to powells, and in what way.......id be really interested to hear an intelligent response.
Palestinian's called for truce June 17.
has said his country will not accept a ceasefire from Palestinian militant groups
first off, your quote is out of context, and outdated.......he had said his country would not accept the ceasefire unless certain conditions were agreed upon.....which they then WERE agreed upon (as of the time this thread started), which is the part you obviously cannot comprehend...............do you know how many times a truce has been called for by one/either/both side(s) of this and its been rejected or dismissed because of the terms? israel has rejected terms, yes, so have the palestinians, many times! if all we are arguing about here are the specific terms of the AGREED upon truce that went into affect THE DAY of your first post, then lets come out and do just that. personally, i dont think there is anything unfair about the terms...they are quite simple: the palestinians dismantle the terrorist groups, and the israelis dismantle their settlements.........do you personally have a problem with the condition that israel wanted in the truce agreement before adhering to it? (that being the eventual dismantling of the terrorist groups)....if so, why? the indisputable FACT here (that youve still yet to observe), is that the first full day of the AGREED upon truce was the day after this thread started. that fact disqualifies your attempt at making israel seem as if they are still targeting civilians regardless of the poor innocent palestinians' repeated efforts at peace. you can go back to june 17th to make a case, but it doesnt help the one you tried to make on the 29th.
I don't have to show y ou links that everyday in Israel the Israeli army destroys and kills Palestinians in Israel.
anytime someone dies in an attack (from either side), it is well documented and blasted all over the news. if youre trying to claim that israel continues to target "innocents" on a daily basis, despite the truce that is IN PLACE AS WE SPEAK, then yes, you will be expected to show some sort of proof. your fabrications dont quite cut it, sorry. now, if youd like, i can show you multiple attacks BY PALESTINIANS, AFTER the ceasefire was called......the fact that israel HAS NOT been retaliating, again, discounts your entire argument here. if israel is so eager to "target innocent palestinians", then why didnt they retaliate on the first day (june 30th), after they were attacked? i cant wait for an answer to that one.
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
hamas-
btw, just to refresh your memory, these are the two statements from you that i requested backing for:
Instead of accepting this, Israel has declined it. Rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent Palestinians in the region.
to show this was true at this point would be very, very easy. simply provide me a link or two showing which "innocent palestinians" have been targeted and/or killed since the time of your first post. if your words were true, this should be a snap of a task.
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
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Dubla, your comments were Powell like, I shown you in black and white that Israel rejected the truce but you chose to ignore it and twist the story around.
this is completely laughable.....where did you come up with "powell like"....hmm, didnt realist say that? cant come up with your own quips? lol........anyhow, as far as the truce goes, gerard showed links proving the truce was in affect (and thus not rejected), and the links were only one day after your thread started. those same links showed how the truce was indeed broken on its first full day of existance, by palestinian terrorism. you have had no answers for those two simple facts, and you continue to ignore them. bravo.
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
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this thread started on the 29th, and the first full day of the truce was on the 30th, so surely hamas' statement about israel continuing to target "innocent palestinians" rather than call a ceasefire was a fabrication. maybe you missed gerards post of links? here you go:
BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3032462.stm
ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030630_1619.html
CNN News: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/30/mideast/index.html
MSNBC News: http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0dm=C11KN
Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,90725,00.html
Le Figaro: http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/
Le Monde: http://www.lemonde.fr/
and since im now being accused of "splitting hairs", lets look at one passage from the second link there.
The first full day of the truce was marred by a Palestinian shooting that killed a Bulgarian construction worker on an Israeli road project near the West Bank town of Yabed.
now, again, who was really rejecting this truce?
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
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also, how does your quote back the statement that the israelis are "prepared to continue targeting more innocent Palestinians in the region."??
who shot first during the ceasefire? can you tell me that?
as far as your quote goes:
Israel's Foreign Minister has said his country will not accept a ceasefire from Palestinian militant groups unless the Palestinian Authority then dismantles them.
thats called a condition of a ceasefire, and i certainly dont think thats an unreasonable condition, do you? heres another quote to look at:
The road map, drafted by the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia, calls for a Palestinian state by 2005. Incremental steps include Palestinians clamping down on terror groups and Israel dismantling illegal settlement outposts built since March 2001.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/03/mideast/index.html
you see, these were the conditions........the palestinians dismantle the terrorist groups, and the israelis dimantle the settlements......how is that unfair, in your mind?
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
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are you suggesting my sources arent credible? i mean, i know its not the bbc, but come on. im not sure what date your quote is from, but the ceasefire was already agreed upon, which dashes your and hamas' claims. again, this is from today:
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah announced Sunday they would stop attacks on Israelis temporarily. As a result, Israeli forces have pulled out of northern Gaza and transferred control of Bethlehem in the West Bank to Palestinians. Israeli officials have indicated they will hand over control of more Palestinian territory if the cease-fire holds.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/03/mideast/index.html
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
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im sorry, but i dont see anything in that article to back up this statement:
Instead of accepting this, Israel has declined it. Rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent Palestinians in the region.
heres what i found on the truce, from today:
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israel on Thursday responded to a pair of recent attacks on Jewish settlements in Gaza by temporarily blocking off a portion of a north-south highway in the territory and lodging a formal complaint with Palestinian authorities for truce violations, Israeli military sources said.
Earlier this week, the Israeli army pulled out of northern Gaza and dismantled checkpoints along the highway as part of a truce with Palestinian militant groups.
Four Jewish settlers in Kfar Darom were lightly injured late Wednesday, according to the sources, when three anti-tank missiles were fired into the settlement in southern Gaza. Israeli soldiers fired back, but there were no reports of Palestinian casualties.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/03/mideast/index.html
i think you mustve been confused when you were declaring which side was rejecting the truce.
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Israel rejects truce with terrorists
by Hamas init was reported today that islamic jihad and hamas have offered a truce in an attempt to push for peace in israel.
instead of accepting this, israel has declined it.
rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent palestinians in the region.
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dubla
hamas-
so, how about it? any links? were your comments merely a fabrication?
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