Posts by dubla

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Freedom of speech, cousin Jeb and the Bin Ladens

by Simon in

well, despite not having the much touted "freedom of speech" that america enjoys, we will get to see micheal moore's new film "farenheit 911" whereas america, for now, won't.. the film links president bush with powerful saudi families including the bin ladens.. seems disney (based on florida) have blocked the distribution because they are afraid of losing tax breaks by way of retaliation ... handy having cousing jeb as governor isn't it?.

still think you have freedom of speech?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3689121.stm.

dubla

thichi-

one correction......disney is a public company, not private......doesnt change your facts on the topic though, which are all correct.

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Freedom of speech, cousin Jeb and the Bin Ladens

by Simon in

well, despite not having the much touted "freedom of speech" that america enjoys, we will get to see micheal moore's new film "farenheit 911" whereas america, for now, won't.. the film links president bush with powerful saudi families including the bin ladens.. seems disney (based on florida) have blocked the distribution because they are afraid of losing tax breaks by way of retaliation ... handy having cousing jeb as governor isn't it?.

still think you have freedom of speech?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3689121.stm.

dubla

realist-

i don't think i claimed the US has no freedom of speech did i?

i asked you if you agreed with simons suggestion, namely that disneys rejection of this movie in some way equals "no free speech in america". you responded by talking about indirect censorship and how authors cant be successful without media backing. maybe you misunderstood me....i was just trying to stick to the thread here.....so lets ask again: do you agree with simons suggestion?

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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

by Simon in

utterly disgusting.

those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

dubla

realist-

essentially we are all just dealing with hypotheses here. yours seem to be that bush is an honest guy.

nope, never said that....in fact ive said a thousand times that i believe all politicians to be dishonest. what i was implying was that i think he, like a lot of americans, is probably concerned and ashamed with the actions of his countrymen. this is a pretty normal feeling, and i dont know why you have such a hard time grasping it. that isnt to say hes not also concerned with the political backlash...what president wouldnt be? this is pretty simple stuff.

how is this tantamount to suggesting that no world leader in history has ever had a sincere concern for the treatment of others?

otherwise (evaluating on a "case by case" basis) you are dealing with your own personal bias (read: agenda). for you to presume to know exactly what someone is thinking is simply astounding.

but this does not mean that ghandi and a few others were actually philanthropists who had a vision of a better world.

im not touting bush as some great philianthropist, or saying that hes never concerned with his own good or political agendas....again, what president isnt? he doesnt have to be ghandi in order to be appalled that there are u.s. soldiers sodomizing iraqi prisoners with flashlights. your "hypothesis" is that bush has absolutely no heart and no concern for anyone on this planet other than himself......and no, that doesnt happen to be my "hypothesis".

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Freedom of speech, cousin Jeb and the Bin Ladens

by Simon in

well, despite not having the much touted "freedom of speech" that america enjoys, we will get to see micheal moore's new film "farenheit 911" whereas america, for now, won't.. the film links president bush with powerful saudi families including the bin ladens.. seems disney (based on florida) have blocked the distribution because they are afraid of losing tax breaks by way of retaliation ... handy having cousing jeb as governor isn't it?.

still think you have freedom of speech?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3689121.stm.

dubla

realist-

to be successful one needs the approval of the main media (unless you decide to sell it over seas).

first off, being "successful" with a publication, and being allowed to express your freedom of speech are two different things. moore will no doubt accomplish both.

like i said before, moores new movie will be released here; he is NOT being censored in any way shape or form. with the hoopla that he has drummed up over this disney thing, it will also most definitely be very "successful".

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Freedom of speech, cousin Jeb and the Bin Ladens

by Simon in

well, despite not having the much touted "freedom of speech" that america enjoys, we will get to see micheal moore's new film "farenheit 911" whereas america, for now, won't.. the film links president bush with powerful saudi families including the bin ladens.. seems disney (based on florida) have blocked the distribution because they are afraid of losing tax breaks by way of retaliation ... handy having cousing jeb as governor isn't it?.

still think you have freedom of speech?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3689121.stm.

dubla

realist-

again, companies deciding not to publish his book is censorship how? what was the content? (im not familiar with the book). regardless, this thread is about disney; do you think disney rejecting the movie equals "no freedom of speech in america", as simon suggests?

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Freedom of speech, cousin Jeb and the Bin Ladens

by Simon in

well, despite not having the much touted "freedom of speech" that america enjoys, we will get to see micheal moore's new film "farenheit 911" whereas america, for now, won't.. the film links president bush with powerful saudi families including the bin ladens.. seems disney (based on florida) have blocked the distribution because they are afraid of losing tax breaks by way of retaliation ... handy having cousing jeb as governor isn't it?.

still think you have freedom of speech?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3689121.stm.

dubla

realist-

this thread is about michael moores movie, and disneys decision to reject it. simon is trying to make a connection between freedom of speech and disneys decision....a comparison that is completely disjointed, to say the least. the fact is, the movie will be released here.....after the press on this, im sure there are plenty of studios banging down moores door trying to get it. crying censorship because of the actions of one company is laughable.........then again, simons comparisons often are.

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Freedom of speech, cousin Jeb and the Bin Ladens

by Simon in

well, despite not having the much touted "freedom of speech" that america enjoys, we will get to see micheal moore's new film "farenheit 911" whereas america, for now, won't.. the film links president bush with powerful saudi families including the bin ladens.. seems disney (based on florida) have blocked the distribution because they are afraid of losing tax breaks by way of retaliation ... handy having cousing jeb as governor isn't it?.

still think you have freedom of speech?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3689121.stm.

dubla

Fox rejects Gibson's 'Passion'

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/09/01/DD272689.DTL

oh heavens! where has our freedom of speech gone???????

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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

by Simon in

utterly disgusting.

those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

dubla

thank you! very generous of you!

i wasnt giving you permission....i was simply stating that being completely presumptuous is entirely your choice.....i just dont choose to join you in your attempts at mind reading. again, its tantamount to suggesting that no world leader in history has ever had a sincere concern for the treatment of others. to me, its ridiculous....but to each his own.

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Freedom of speech, cousin Jeb and the Bin Ladens

by Simon in

well, despite not having the much touted "freedom of speech" that america enjoys, we will get to see micheal moore's new film "farenheit 911" whereas america, for now, won't.. the film links president bush with powerful saudi families including the bin ladens.. seems disney (based on florida) have blocked the distribution because they are afraid of losing tax breaks by way of retaliation ... handy having cousing jeb as governor isn't it?.

still think you have freedom of speech?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3689121.stm.

dubla

one company deciding to protect its own image by not releasing a specific film is hardly censorship.....give me a break.

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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

by Simon in

utterly disgusting.

those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

dubla

realist-

bush can be outraged about his countrymen committing atrocities on other human beings (without losing sleep about the actual vicitms).....again, you may believe this impossible, i do not. i do not consider myself an ultra sensitive person, but i am personally ashamed about the actions of these soldiers. perhaps bush is not, and is concerned only about media coverage. i am not presumptuous enough to suggest that the president could care less about the actions of our soldiers unless it affects his approval ratings.....you can do so, it is your prerogative.

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