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  abaddon-

  I really don't know where this turned into you gumming Kerry "as he's a fault too". I thought I was providing evidence showing that the cost of war is NOT worth it, especially as it is a war manufactured to meet the agendas of a group of neo-conservatives. I provided evidence.

  Not one statement I have made in this respect has even been examined, let alone refuted. Instead you divert the discussion into one about them BOTH being at fault.

  Even if this is the case you are ignoring the evidence that Bush could be part of an intentional deception, which is far far more serious.

  obviously you dont get it. i dont think they are both at fault, i think they both believed there were wmds in iraq......BUT, for those of you who believe bush intentionally deceived (as your bold sentence here implies is your main point), then based on kerrys statements, logically youd have to believe he also intentionally deceived. my point was, from the beginning, that regardless of what you think you are proving about bush, you arent differentiating between the two candidates when it comes to this issue. how is that changing the subject? it appears that bushs "deception" is the center of your thesis here....so if kerry deceived in the same manner, how should your points affect voters?

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  thank you....you are at least ONE anti-bush person on this board that is willing to admit kerry is no different on the issue of wmds/iraq. i might not agree with you, but at least you dont have the same idealized view of kerry that blinds so many others.

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  or at least some filthy disgusting republican's reply ;-)

  most of your post is just regurgitation and of course avoiding the question at hand....so i wont bother with it. but as for the above comment, just wanted to let you know im not a republican. if there was a viable libertarian candidate, thats proabaly where id lean. i agree with abaddon that our two-party system needs to go....but i dont forsee that happening anytime soon.

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  Low blow dubla....why don't you get yourself educated and try another language, we'll have a good time laughing at you....

  actually i have...and anyone who has heard me attempting to speak spanish has probably had a good laugh. i wasnt laughing at her though, i was being honest....i have a really hard time trying to figure out what shes saying to me half the time, and it does make for a difficult exchange. if im a "waste of time", so be it....its only going to save me some time as well. aa
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  well, that will save me the frustration of trying to translate your posts.

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  when did i say kerry and bush were equally at fault? your gf likes to talk about diversions....thats what your above post there is. i was debating one specific line about bush lying to america about iraq being a grave threat.....and the FACT is, that if bush lied about the threat, so did kerry.....pretty simple stuff. again, i know this doesnt connect for those that hold kerry up on a pedestal, but theres no way around it. why dont you tell me what you think....do you think kerry believed saddam was a grave threat, or do you think bush conned kerry into believing saddam was a grave threat (as abaddon implied)? or do you think they both knew he wasnt a threat, and they both lied?

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  yes i read the sentences, and the point is that kerry has already stated his beliefs were not based on bushs claims, that in fact he had these beliefs prior to bush being in office......i know this really shoots holes in this idealized view of kerry that some dont want to relinquish, but those are the facts.

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  Hang on. Bush was President. He made claims. Kerry, based on those claims did what he did. Those claims were false.

  ah, i was hoping someone would use this baseless argument. i was contending that kerry and bush both believed saddam was a serious threat to our nation.....now you are arguing that kerry only believed this based on claims bush made, which is completely incorrect. kerry, in the second debate, stated that his beliefs about the threat posed by iraq have been the same since clinton was in office......and if you compare clintons speech on iraq with kerrys, they are nearly identical....so it is in fact your argument that is absurd. in light of that...who can the kerry backers blame for misleading him? clinton?

  bottom line, either kerry and bush both believed (as they still state they did) that saddam had wmds, or they both lied. i know this is a difficult thing for bush haters to wrap their head around, but theres really no other conclusion that can be made without partisan speculation.

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  LOL ... don't make me laugh now ... diversion is not an argument (you've tried more than once) again I do not support my gov ... (understand !!!)

  first off, i wasnt even addressing you. secondly, how is that creating a diversion? roy pointed out (and rightly so) that there is plenty of finger pointing and very few solutions being offered.....so i provided the latest peaceful solution thats been brought to the table by europe. incidentally, now that youve said you dont agree with that plan either....what plan do you agree with?

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  All I'm asking is what's your solution? Wait for Iran and North Korea to simply stop their nuke program?

  heres the european solution....give them gifts and ask nicely:

  VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Iran vowed anew to continue enriching uranium, dealing a potential setback to a European plan to ease the nuclear standoff with Tehran by offering sales of nuclear fuel and a trade deal as incentives.

  http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/21/iran.nuclear.ap/index.html

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