Posts by dubla

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MIRACLE CONDOMS! Awake issue

by philo in

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miracle condoms!

(see free sample on back page of awake!

magazine).

dubla

"with age comes wisdom" bboy, youll get there eventually. this lack of intelligence does make me rethink some of your past posts though, and it explains alot.

aa

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

ill have to apologize for one thing mark, i just realized you did give ed devries due credit for his writings (you didnt claim them as yours as i suggested)........realizing this ive come to the conclusion that quoting another source must be the only way you can give the appearance of sounding clear in your thought processes (or someone elses thought processes i guess).......start thinking and writing for yourself mark......hey, remember this quote? (its from your post).....

quote (from bibleboy): question: are you getting your arguements from God's Word, (the bible)or are you getting them from the watchtower?
(or elsewhere for that matter?)

so mark, answer your own question. are you getting your arguments from "elsewhere" such as vanilla trinity articles, or are they coming from you?

aa

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

dubla

bibleboy-

wow mark, that was a great article on the trinity doctrine you printed there. where pray tell did you cut and paste it from? lol, because all of us, having read your previous writings, know that it didnt come from you directly. (hint: next time, if you really want to make it look like YOUR thoughts, take out the article subheadings). if you think ANYTHING in the article you posted is new conclusive information on the trinity, you are sorely mistaken. and i find it very humorous once again, that you can argue for the trinity all day, and tell your side, backed up with scripture snipets taken out of text (ill explain in a minute), but yet you STILL refuse to even try to refute any of the arguments posed AGAINST the trinity; namely the various scriptures weve quoted and thoughts weve posed that make the trinity look preposterous and ridiculous. (i dont blame you, i realize they are difficult, if not impossilbe to argue against). mark, ill tell you, every time i think your skills cant get any worse, every time i think you cant show any more ignorance.....you never cease to surprise me.

as for your little "sanctified" example....puhleez, are you serious? are you really trying to use this as "evidence"?? tell me you dont have to reach that bad mark, please tell me that. three different beings all associated with the same verb, wow, unbelievable, thats definite proof they are one mark, good work, GOOD SHOW! (about as definte as if three different people are all recorded in a history book as performing the same deed.....then we could conclusively say the three are one. ridiculous!)

again, thanks as always for the laughs, and god bless and all that jazz bibleBOY.

aa

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

dubla

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MIRACLE CONDOMS! Awake issue

by philo in

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friends

miracle condoms!

(see free sample on back page of awake!

magazine).

dubla

its not my practice to post for the sole reason to slam someone, but BBOY, are you really that dense?

aa

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

dubla

BIBLEBOY-

you continue to humor me, and most likely the rest of the posters on here. where is all this talk of you now being a jw coming from??

quote: "Nor am I a JW. I am far from it. JW's dont' believe in the Trinity. And they also believe that the WTS is God's appointed organisation. I don't believe that and I believe that the NWT is NOT Superior to any other translation. I am not a JW, but a blood bought born again Christian."

who said anything about you being a jw?? i know i didnt, and im 99% sure no one else did. you continue to show your ignorance mark.

also, youre having a laugh seeing how carried away i/we get? jokes on me? lol, what joke bibleboy? none of us are joking, nor do we consider this a laughing matter or a game as you seem to. we are simply engaging in an analytical and logical discussion/debate on the trinity which YOU started. remember? so youve been "just listening"? in other words, you just threw out this big trinity bone for everyone to grab so you could amuse yourself with the responses? lol, dont start something you cant finish bibleBOY.

i find it extremely interesting and noteworthy that you are now finally choosing to respond to someone, namely pom (who incidently didnt provide age/location/belief as you said was an ABSOLUTE requisite for any response to come from you. changing the rules mark?), but only on the parts of the trinity that you threw out to argue. typical of someone that can only defend part, not all, of his beliefs with scripture.

GOD BLESS, IN JESUS NAME, HALEUJAH, AMEN, AND ALL THAT MARK!!

aa

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

dubla

Hairdog-

i just had to respond to one more thing in your post to frenchy (or he/she as you refer to him/her). first ill again quote you:

quote: ...he can still arrive at understanding through the application of good, interpretive skills – unless, of course, it contradicts his preconceived opinions, or faulty teaching. The response of - - whoever wrote the above quoted article – clearly indicates that the last two are active forces in his (forgive me if it was a woman who wrote this, remembering the contemporary “need” for political correctness)
scholarly life, for I have made no mention of any doctrine of the trinity as I exegeted John 1:1.

-um, come on hairdog, who do you think youre kidding with these constant references to "preconceived opinions"?? for one thing, frenchy didnt directly address YOU in the first place, so how do you know frenchy was speaking of YOUR insight of john 1:1? (which just for a side note, a quick check in "one of your favorite secular writings", websters dictionary, will show you that the word "exegete" is only used in noun form, not verb; you could not have "exegeted" anything, as "exegeted" is not even a word. funny that a man who loves to throw around his vast knowledge of diction like yourself wasnt already aware of this). and lets assume frenchy was speaking of you, which since frenchy is speaking on the topic of greek grammar in this discussion, (a topic you added), i think its a safe bet. wouldnt it be a perfectly normal assumption, (not a preconceived opinion), that your discussion of john 1:1, even though not specifically addressing the trinity, is relating to the trinity? considering the fact that your very first post was in reply to everyone else on this thread, which was started by bibleboy SPECIFICALLY speaking of the trinity, i think this was a very safe assumption on frenchys part, as well as the rest of the posters on this thread. yet you continue to hide behind technicalities such as whether or not you specifically mentioned the trinity doctrine, in order to discount everyone elses viewpoints/arguments on the matter. (and im sure if you really try hard, you can break down this very post grammatically and technically, therefore proving it in your mind unworthy of notice).

also, id like to hear your reply to "accuracy" who said some interesting things on greek grammar as well. i am not and do not claim to be an expert on the subject as you do, so ill let you address that.

hope this helps,

aa

p.s. im sure i speak for all of us when i say that we love the conclusive way you end all your posts, avoiding any doubt in our minds that youve achieved complete perfection in your proofs/evidences. example: "I appreciate the opportunity to give evidence, as provided by John 1:1, that the Word is the eternal Being."

well, that says is all for me, im convinced, how about the rest of you?

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Psalm 50: JEHOVAH'S JUDICIAL RULINGS

by You Know in

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the 50th psalm is one of jehovah's as-of-yet-unrevealed judicial decisions that will become operative upon his people during the tribulation.

the following is a brief overview of the chapter.. "the divine one, god, jehovah, has himself spoken,.

and he proceeds to call the earth.

dubla

YOU dont KNOW jack-

lol, thats really the main point i wanted to get across.

your posts are very humorous, and its even more humorous that you claim to be one of jehovahs witnesses, considering you speak with your own ideas (which is as im sure you know discouraged and even disciplined in the congregation).

just a thought here.....if you spent half as much time studying, going in service, and devoting yourself to the will of god (as you and your jws believe it to be), as you do arguing on this forum....how many people do you think you could reach? surely "you know" that no one in here listens to your drivel. not that i advocate any of these practices or the jw religion, but i do know thats whats expected of you if youre to be a "good" witness, and especially if youre on of the "annointed."

keep fighting with the "apostates" though, if thats what makes you happy (or maybe it just makes your day go faster).......

aa

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

dubla

BIBLEBOY-

ROFLMAO....you are a sorry excuse for a logical argument/discussion candidate, arent you?

quote: Funny, EVERYONE has COMPLETELY avoided the topic of THE ROCK.
Funny, EVERYONE has COMPLETELY avoided the topic of the PERSONAGE of the Holy Spirit.

-lol......funny, you have COMPLETELY avoided ALL the arguments against your triune godhead, and have tried instead to throw some more wood on the fire. you have no reasoning to back up your side of any of these points that have been brought out, which does not surprise me, as ive already seen that you are one of the trinitarians that explain the trinity by saying its "unexplainable" or in your words "a mystery." gimme a break.

to answer your question: (bibleboy): are you getting your arguements from God's Word, (the bible)
or are you getting them from the watchtower?
(or elsewhere for that matter?)

i am not a jw, i do not read the watchtower, and yes i back up all my arguments with scripture. if youd like to challenge me to back up one of my points with scriptures from gods word the bible, just let me know which particular argument you like to address, and which version of the bible youd like me to quote from.

thanks for the laugh bibleboy, your skills of debate impress me more and more each time you speak.

aa

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

dubla

hairdog-

lets start this response with what seems to me to be a couple of clear contradictions in your posts.......

quote (in response to me): I never intended to say that the verb, “was,” proved the eternal existence of the Word (Jesus).

-okay, now lets cross reference this with your last post.....

quote (in response to frenchy, or the anonymous one): This morning, as I was reading in one of my favorite secular writings, Webster’s Dictionary, I thought that I might take a look at the word, “was.” It seems that “was” is indicated to be the English “past indicative” of the verb, “to be.” In layman’s language, it refers to the existence of someone, or -thing. The past indicative is used in the English translation of John 1:1, while in the Greek, the imperfect indicative is used. In both languages, the mood of the verb is identified as the “indicative.” This is the mood of certainty. So the action or state described by the particular indicative mood verb is one of certainty; in the case of the verb, “was,” it is certain that (in the case here in John 1:1), the Word’s state was one of being. The Greek language has several “past” tenses. The imperfect tense indicates durative action in the past. Therefore, the state of the Word is not only certain, but it is certain that He “continually” was; that He continually existed.

-hmmmm....seems to me for not using the word "was" as proof he eternally existed, youre going way out of your way to say that the verb "was" proves he continually existed (or is continually and eternally two different ideas for you?)..........or is it that this verse is merely "evidence"......again ill quote you.......

quote:If one can’t agree with the evidence (not “proof”) presented here in John 1:1, there is no sense in moving on.

-lets check with one of your "favorite secular writings, the websters dictionary" for some insight on "evidence (not 'proof')", shall we?......

evidence \Ev"i*dence\, n. [F. ['e]vidence, L. Evidentia. See Evident.] 1. That which makes evident or manifest; that which furnishes, or tends to furnish, PROOF; any mode of PROOF

hmmmmm......so is this some new form of evidence hairdog, that doesnt furnish proof? or are you indeed trying to "prove" eternal existance through this verse? we are all confused im sure (which is usually the motive behind very long-winded answers filled with grammar lessons like yours).

now, on too another one of your points....and again ill quote you....

quote: The use of “was” in this verse simply lends information that points out that anything that existed before the beginning had no beginning. The heavens, earth, animals, angels and satan all are created beings. Therefore, they had a beginning.

-does this one verb "was" really imply that hairdog? that ANYTHING that existed before "the beginning" (which we already have agreed in a past post is "the beginning" described in genesis chapter 1), had no beginning? so in this account of "the beginning" (genesis ch.1), why are there no mention of angels being created? were they created during "the beginning" then, or are they already present as it would seem? and what of jesus being one of the angels (michael)? of course, this is what i believe, and since youve already said all the angels were created, on this basis i guess we have already agreed that jesus was created. maybe until we agree on whether or not jesus is michael, we should go no further, for this no doubt is part of your preconceived opinions on jesus himself, also leading you in a certain direction with 1john1:1. do you see where this "preconceived opinions" idea can take a discussion?

i realize you dont want to drop the "was" issue until i concede that your viewpoint on it is the correct one, so maybe we will not get past it (or maybe its the one thing you cling too, and you have no logical reasoning for any of the other arguments).

one last thing......again a quote from you.....

quote: aa, if you were to write John 1:1 according to your understanding of the meaning of the first phrase, “in the beginning was the Word,” what word would you choose instead of “was” to make your point more clear?

-well hairdog (and is your name really hairdog, or are you just as anonymous as "frenchy")......if i say, "i wouldve written it this way", youll just say, "exactly, but it wasnt written that way"....so ill just say this. i think it stands fine the way its written, and i understand it the way it is written. "in the beginning was the word"....perfect, meaning...."in the beginning the word was", same thing to me, "in the beginning the word was [in existance]".....again, a point ive never argued.

hope this helps,

aa