i seriously ask this question in light of some ridiculous experiences i have had in recent times.
a while back,a freind of mine purchased a new home.
a housewarming party was planned for her.
utop-
NICELY DONE
After several members posted legitimate questions and made inferences concerning the 'double-life" syndrome prone to average witness behavior, you have neither responded intelligently, nor provided additional facts or evidence.
-um, couldnt have said it better myself
YOU ARE IN FACT A HYPOCRITE
-absolutely, though hell never admit it. hell just say he doesnt follow the beliefs that dont "make sense" to him. lol, what a joke.
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before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.
if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.
thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.
oh, and that first quote of mine, you forgot to comment on this part of it....
also id like to point out that this particular quote is a clear case of REASONING. better be careful with that reasoning stuff hairdog, wouldnt want you to start falling into the trap of "eisegesis
indeed, your statements regarding john 1:10 were far short of exegetical. not that that really makes a difference to me, but i know you pride yourself on being exegetical (even though no one else really cares).
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before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.
if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.
thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.
hairdog-
I choose to point out to those who read this that your hermeneutical and grammatical skills, if any, fall quite short of being exegetical.
-yeah, im quite sure that the people that read this post are REALLY concerned with my hermeneutical and grammatical skills being exegetical. in fact, im sure thats what most of the people browsing this thread are wondering......"hmmm, i wonder if jdubla's hermeneutical and grammatical skills are exegetical..???"
lol, another one of your sentences worth quoting just for the "ridiculous" factor.
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god not only condoned mass murder, he ordered it .
i notice that many people here have claimed that "god is not a murderer.
god does not condone or plan the brutal murder of children!
You are a liar in the form of exaggeration ...
i agree.
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i seriously ask this question in light of some ridiculous experiences i have had in recent times.
a while back,a freind of mine purchased a new home.
a housewarming party was planned for her.
mox-
...but his description of being able to stand up to elders if there is no written counsel to the contrary rings true with my own experiences. some people seem to be able to get away with grey-area stuff that others didnt...
-yeah, ive seen this myself. "grey" areas, "concience matters", etc. thats one of the main topics ive been hitting on during this particular thread, which really ties nicely in with the "double life" issue that was brought up earlier. i agree with you, if its not in writing, you can probably get away with it. im not sure if thats what nytel was saying though, he just seems to come across more as "if its not in writing, its okay and not {looked down upon/discouraged/counseled against}". i mean, theres a WORLD of difference between getting away with something, and it actually being acceptable in the {elders/organizations} eyes. ive been continually asking him, "are these things counseled against?" and "is this discouraged?" (not in so many words). hell just come back with, "im a free thinker, i can do what i please" or something along those lines. he just doesnt strike me as a loyal dub (more like a fence rider), so im not sure he should be looked upon as the authoritative rulebook on dubs, which im sure you dont think he should either.
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i seriously ask this question in light of some ridiculous experiences i have had in recent times.
a while back,a freind of mine purchased a new home.
a housewarming party was planned for her.
nytel-
one more thing for you (and im sure i wont get an answer).....
I dont consider this association.
-have things changed this dramatically since ive left the jw religion? can jws talk to disfellowshipped ones now freely, as long as its not "associating" as you say this isnt? (or do you get around that by saying this is "typing" not "talking", lol.) or perhaps this falls under "business" because youre at work? let me know your thoughts if you care to. personally, ive been taught (and i know its still the practice in my former congregation), that you do not even SPEAK to disfellowshipped ones, let alone "associate" with them.
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i seriously ask this question in light of some ridiculous experiences i have had in recent times.
a while back,a freind of mine purchased a new home.
a housewarming party was planned for her.
nytel-
you are just obsessed with me answering posts within minutes, now arent you?
-no, i for one am not obsessed with anything to do with you, let alone how quickly you answer posts. but it would be nice if you would actually RESPOND to half of the questions posted, instead of picking and choosing what to respond to, and which questions you can safely answer without putting your foot in your mouth. the post the above quote came off of is a prime example of just responding to snipets from different people, using them out of context, and throwing in a quip or two to sound witty.
Now I can expect to hear how I wouldn't dare tell the elders I am here, or how the Borg considers this association. I also dont tell the elders how many times I wipe my ass when I crap..should I tell them that too?
-um, give me a break. are you seriously going to compare a possible disfellowshipping offense with wiping your ass? so, youre telling me it really doesnt matter what they know, that your personal life is your business (well, actually i would be inclined to agree with you, but thats simply not the way it works in the org).? in other words, it wouldnt matter if you were drinking 48 beers every night, or shooting up heroin, sleeping with the neighbor and her daughter, etc., etc., because, hell, you dont tell them how many times you wipe your ass, so whats the difference? LOL.....clearly a defensive statement using reasoning that is just WAY out of context.
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i seriously ask this question in light of some ridiculous experiences i have had in recent times.
a while back,a freind of mine purchased a new home.
a housewarming party was planned for her.
lisa-
are you suggesting that nytel is in fact the gay brother from ny? just wondering.
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i seriously ask this question in light of some ridiculous experiences i have had in recent times.
a while back,a freind of mine purchased a new home.
a housewarming party was planned for her.
mox-
i think it certainly is true that when youve been out for a while you start to forget what its really like and tend to just retain the bad memories. at the very least, you dont know how its changed since youve been out in terms of the social atmosphere inside, stuff you can only know by being there. having the input of folks that are still in helps us keep our perspective.
i agree, the perspective of ones inside can be helpful, but i wouldnt necessarily take the word of posters on this forum that they are still truly "inside." nytel may very well be inside, but he also (as could anyone on a forum), may be twisting actuality in order to suit his views or simply to aid his side in an argument. i would guess that many of us, (which is the case with me), already know and talk to ones that are still on "the inside," perhaps ones very close to us, old friends, immediate family, etc., thereby already having a source of information on how things are now. in other words, when i speak of things or happenings in the religion, i am going by more than my past experiences. im not discarding nytels stories and experiences as false, but i do have a hard time taking them as flat out facts of how the organization is blanketly run now. whats easier to believe is that all congregations are run differently, and the same sin or wrongdoing is treated/disciplined differently in different areas (see above posts). id venture to say hypocrisy runs deep in most if not all areas, and leniency varies.
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i seriously ask this question in light of some ridiculous experiences i have had in recent times.
a while back,a freind of mine purchased a new home.
a housewarming party was planned for her.
veg-
this is called "sects"......see previous posts.
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