while it may be "politically correct" to jump all over nytelecom, let's face it, how many of you actually laughed at his post, before recomposing yourself and deciding to "grab a rope" and join the lynch mob?
i wonder who will be honest.
i am not a fan of nytelecom or fredhall or madapostate.
when was the last time you saw a fat Taliban member??
actually, most of the taliban leaders are overweight. have you seen pictures of the talibans ambassador to pakistan, mullah abul salaam zaeff? not exactly one of the thinest guys youll run across.
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while it may be "politically correct" to jump all over nytelecom, let's face it, how many of you actually laughed at his post, before recomposing yourself and deciding to "grab a rope" and join the lynch mob?
i wonder who will be honest.
i am not a fan of nytelecom or fredhall or madapostate.
actually hillary..if you review some of my posts
in other threads you will indeed find that my motive
is concern..
actually nytel, reviewing your past posts will only show an intelligent person that you like to present the facade that your motive is concern. its quite obvious to any knowledgable reader that the motives behind your attacks are to inflict pain, however childish this may be. it is normally unsuccessful, but sometimes, as was the case with wonderwoman, you succeed in your goal, no doubt leaving the computer with a satisfied grin. you would like us to believe that health is your motive, when in actuality, i have witnessed countless attacks by you, having nothing to do with health matters. you are just a confused fence rider with a low self-esteem trying to find his way. we all sincerely hope you find it someday.
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keep in mind that the blood cards are produced and circulated in all other countries worldwide.
if they are not so in the us, please do not scream too loudly that major changes are occuring etc., because this has got to be some local us thing, if it is true what you say that they are not renewed in the us.
nytel-
reeeed fiiiirrsst poooooosssst sllllllooooowwwwlllleeeeeeeeeokay, read it, as slow as i possibly could, and it still obviously doesnt answer the question ive posed. perhaps the real problem is that you do not or cannot understand the question ive posed. either way, heres your first post:
i dont need a card to say i dont believe in the Trinity.......again, these completely irrelevant comparisons do not answer the question: "how would a jw hold the "no blood" belief without holding the card? im starting to think indeed you dont understand the question due to the fact that you refuse to answer it.
remember the Pioneer cards, pioneers use to get ???.....where are they now??
............and pioneers are.??
i understand your references, and i also understand they lend nothing to this conversation. then again, it is quite rare that you actually add something of value to any conversation.
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keep in mind that the blood cards are produced and circulated in all other countries worldwide.
if they are not so in the us, please do not scream too loudly that major changes are occuring etc., because this has got to be some local us thing, if it is true what you say that they are not renewed in the us.
nytel-
please do not reply if you have no intelligent reply.....so far, that has been your practice. you seem to think you have answered the argument, when in actuality you have answered nothing.
really your "car scenario"the "car scenario" i gave you has everything to do with the topic. i asked you how a witness could believe in "no blood" without carrying the card, and you gave no answer (what a surprise). until you can intelligently answer this question, explaining how this witness would uphold their beliefs in the event of an emergency (i.e., "car scenario"), then you have nothing more to add to the conversation, and in turn you have proven your argument hasnt a leg to stand on. thanks for coming to class today.
has nothing to do with anything.....if the cards were made
obsolete it would change nothing regarding the doctrine of blood..
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keep in mind that the blood cards are produced and circulated in all other countries worldwide.
if they are not so in the us, please do not scream too loudly that major changes are occuring etc., because this has got to be some local us thing, if it is true what you say that they are not renewed in the us.
for the record, regardless of my argument with nytel, my personal view (so far), is that the blood card issue is getting too much attention, as i feel they will probably issue new cards at some point. i could be wrong, and this could be a huge belief change, who knows. it doesnt seem to fit though, thats just my take on it. of course i couldnt pass up combatting the ridiculous defense given by nytel though......what nonsense, lol.
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keep in mind that the blood cards are produced and circulated in all other countries worldwide.
if they are not so in the us, please do not scream too loudly that major changes are occuring etc., because this has got to be some local us thing, if it is true what you say that they are not renewed in the us.
nytel-
just like an TYPICAL antsince you wish to call this "school", lets nit pick. shouldnt this be "a" typical, and what is the "ant" reference about? perhaps you meant "anti", its hard telling when dealing with someone with your level of intelligence.
you refuse to look at the context..no, i didnt refuse to look at the context. you showed very clearly that your beliefs about the trinity didnt need a card to back them up, and they still havent changed.as it was a ref to BELIEF and changes.....
the pioneer reference, although completely irrelevant, was to show that pioneers once carried cards, now they dont, and the discontinuation of the card carrying has changed nothing about the beliefs of pioneers.
if i have misunderstood either of these two references, please explain, and bring your shovel, i cant wait to hear this.
either way, your examples lend just a little less than zero to this discussion of the discontinuation of the BLOOD CARD, which is a HIGHLY IMPORTANT legal document when dealing with the blood issue in an emergency situation. if the blood cards were made obsolete, it would COMPLETELY change the beliefs behind the cards, unlike the two nonsensical examples you gave.........how could a witness believe in "no blood" without carrying the card? please refer to my car accident scenario above before answering.
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or this could be titled: "ridicule this!
" that's because the ridiculer doesn't just ridicule old men in brooklyn, or the bible, or the religion of their family; rather those so inclined ridicule reality itself.
the beauty of the truth, though, is that it is irrepressible, so much so that even some of the sons of this system can, by the power of reason, unknowingly arrive at the same conclusion jehovah forsaw centuries before.
yk-
The truth is that I am free to speak my mind because no one can stop me from doing so, but obviously if apostates could, they would.why would anyone want to stop you from speaking your mind? thats what the forum is all about, free speech. and if everyone wanted to shut you up, then why were there so many "sorry to see you go" posts on your "farewell" thread? this is contradictory, surely you realize this..........my opinion is that you like to imagine that we want to shut you up, perhaps this thought strokes your already enlarged ego. the fact is, we wouldnt trade your gloom and doom blubberings for the world, and the forum wouldnt be the same without your numerous nonsensical failed predictions. some might get annoyed with you, for the simple fact that you are simulaneously the most arrogant and ignorant poster on here, and many times you refuse to answer perfectly good arguments/questions. this can be frustrating to those of us that actually enjoy intelligent and challenging discourse, but do not mistake this frustration for the fantasy that you have built up in your head, namely that we wish you to be silent.
sexy-
On a personal note, I feel bad that many ridicule you here.do not take pity on poor yk for getting ridiculed, for he is the single biggest ridiculer on this forum. he justifies it by quoting scriptures that give him the right to ridicule us "apostates". this falls into the old saying "you can dish it out but you cant take it". yk claims he is ridiculed "relentlessly", when in reality he routinely ridicules all on this forum. if youd like a list of links showing some of yks greatest hits (his many, many ridicules, including playground name-calling tactics), id be more than happy to provide you with one.
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keep in mind that the blood cards are produced and circulated in all other countries worldwide.
if they are not so in the us, please do not scream too loudly that major changes are occuring etc., because this has got to be some local us thing, if it is true what you say that they are not renewed in the us.
nytel-
i dont need a card to say i dont believe in the Trinity.......if you are badly injured in a car accident, and unconcious, lying on the operating table, will your belief or non-belief in the trinity really make a difference to the ensuing operation? would it matter if the doctors knew of your stand on the triune god?
if you have even a lick of intellect, you will re-think this preposterous line of reasoning and delete your ridiculous post. as you would say, school is officially in session......lesson number one: think before you speak to avoid embarrassment.
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the controversy regarding the future is my no means confined to apostate dubs and jehovah's witnesses.
many other than "bible thumpers" can see big trouble looming just around the next bend.
of course they are ridiculed too by those with opposing views.
yk-
no response........well color me surprised.
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the subject of secret military tribunals has been raised here in recent months, and i've made no secret of my displeasure at such moves.
it was pointed out to me that president lincoln also did this, something i was not aware of.
however, i have recently read an article in the feb. 2002 issue of the atlantic monthly that discusses the world war ii precedent cited by bush for these tribunals.
seeker-
tracing motives can be a very tricky thing, and im quite sure none of us know every motive behind the attacks.......it wouldnt surprise me at all if the trials were part of the motive, if not at least a nice bonus. also, as was brought out earlier in the thread, the trials were held a relatively short period of time ago, so we really cant say the judges are safe just yet. revenge on individuals wouldnt surprise me in the least.
putting this particular argument aside, ill comment on your thread overall, in the same manner ive discussed this topic in the past at length. this is a war, bin laden is not o.j. simpson, and to suggest they should have the same type of trial is absolutely absurd. bin laden declared war on the u.s., then acted on this declaration by attacking us on our own soil. to think bin laden and all his co-conspirators should be brought to justice with a neat little stateside courtroom drama would be simply silly.
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