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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  simon-

  The problem is, the UK posts the dossier, the USA refers to the british 'evidence' and the UK then refers to what the president says. They have their own big circular argument of "proof" going on.

  i was specifically talking about powells presentation. ive heard more than one person on this thread alone accuse powell of using a 12 year old student report as part of this presentation.......the problem is, posters fabricate statements, and then when called to the mat on them, they simply ignore. you know this tactic well, so i dont have to explain it to you.

  and what of the intelligence reports of other countries? do you honestly believe that the u.k. and u.s. were on an island with their belief that saddam had wmd?

  It's strange that the same people who were so against the weapons inspectors being given more time now want to give the British and US governments a "signed check" when it comes to delivering proof.

  the same can be said of the other side.....its strange that the same people who wanted to give the inspectors months, even YEARS to search iraq, now want the weapons to be found yesterday.

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  Hunt For Missing Boeing

  by searchfothetruth in

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  this is a strange one.

  a jumbo jet that had been sitting on a runnway for 14 months, suddenly starts down a runway, takes off and disappears.. nobody knows who took it, or where it is...i didn't know there were scousers in angola!.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3003058.stm

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  maybe a few people have watched "enemy of the state" too many times.?.........

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  Hunt For Missing Boeing

  by searchfothetruth in

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  this is a strange one.

  a jumbo jet that had been sitting on a runnway for 14 months, suddenly starts down a runway, takes off and disappears.. nobody knows who took it, or where it is...i didn't know there were scousers in angola!.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3003058.stm

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  "It is the central collection and coordination center for a worldwide system of satellites, radars, and sensors that provide early warning of any missile, air, or space threat to North America."

  yes, im quite sure that plane taking off in angola was an immediate "missle, air or space threat to North America", and therefore should have been immediately tracked. in fact, every aircraft that ever takes off from any airport, or private airstrip for that matter, should be immediately tracked by norad, every minute of every day, 365 days of the year. that sounds logical to me.

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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  william-

  Yeah Bush got his information from a reliable source, a 12 year old students essay paper.

  i keep hearing this about bush, and about powells presentation.....do you have any links to back this up? it was my understanding that the only government using this 12 yr. old information was the u.k., in the dossier: "Iraq -- Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception and Intimidation". as far as i can tell, the only way this was linked to the u.s. or powell was the fact that the u.s. mistakenly backed up this dossier as credible, and that powell praised it during his presentation. to my knowledge, none of powells presentation stemmed from this report, even though realist and others would have the average reader believe this. i could be way off here, and if so, id appreciate some links.

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  The kind of Man GWBush is.

  by Yerusalyim in

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  at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.

  he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.

  the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?

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  Perhaps Bush will personally perform fellatio on all wounded soldiers.

  thats a pretty disgusting joke, even for the antibush camp.

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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  Next, one must also believe contradictory things about George W. Bush. One must believe him to be, on one hand, a calculating, Machiavellian conspirator who managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people in order to justify starting a war. On the other hand, he must be enough of an amiable dunce to forget to arrange for WMDs to be "found" in Iraq after the war. In fact, our inability to find such weapons so far is the best evidence that Bush did not fabricate the administration's fears of Iraqi WMD. Why would he jeopardize his credibility over an issue he knew to be fabricated, knowing a) that he would not find a WMD arsenal in post-war Iraq, and b) the lack of such an arsenal would invite closer scrutiny of the administration's pre-war arguments? If Bush were smart enough to create the extraordinary conspiracy with which his critics have charged, you'd think he'd be smart enough to address that question before committing himself to pursuing it.

  that paragraph was worth repeating.....i cant wait to see some decent responses to it from the "bush lied to the world" camp.

  simon-

  The UK 'intelligence' looks increasingly iffy so quoting this is hardly confidence inspiring.

  you forgot about russia, china and france, all included in the statement youre attempting to debunk.............talk about cherry picking.

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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  realist-

  think you misunderstood my original post (which is my mistake since i didn't make it very clear). the media is on the side of bush (= pro war)

  yes, thats quite a bit different from your original statement, which was:

  you do realize that the mass media in the US is controlled largely by bush

  so, what youre now saying, is that the media is always pro-war, regardless of who is in office, right? if so, fair enough....at least youre retracting your statement about bush controlling the media.

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  Patriot Act reaches out and touches ME !!!

  by Amazing in

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  yes, folks ... i was shocked, horrified, and dumbfounded by what took place this evening.

  a chapter right out of george orwell's 1984 ... big brother listens in for quality assurance.

  even my radical right-wing conservative republican sensibilities were shaken to the ground.

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  realist-

  out of all these "patriot act" threads, ive yet to hear anyone worrying about the poor journalists.......most of what ive read is posters worrying about how this is going to adversly affect them, so i thought id share my incredible fear about possibly being carted off to a concentration camp sometime in the near future.

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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  realist-

  and, btw....if the person in office is irrelevant, then why do you always make it about bush? why not make it about g.e., disney, etc?

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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  realist-

  youre getting around the question here. i see your figures for donations to gw bush, etc........but you havent answered my question. this question IS NOT ABOUT BUSH (you seem to keep coming back to gwb for some reason). WHO "controlled" the media prior to bush being in office?

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