http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.
there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.
7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.
Heaven
This religion/cult messes people up. They are damaging, destructive... I do not understand how they are allowed to legally operate.
It's called religious freedom. However, when the freedom of one person (the parents) impinge upon the freedom of another (their child's right to life) then that's where society should step in and either ban the practice or the cult.
"theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.
" ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.
atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.
Ruby
I'm obliged to thee.
1. some say we are all gods, and god is omnipresent..
2. some say: god created his children who later challenged his sovereignty, who in turn asked his eldest son: go down to the world, do not resist the wicked, but be murdered by them, the value of which will be used to atone the sins of the world..
3. universe arose out of a big bang.
Iconoclastic
If so, why only some species would abandon asexual reproduction in favor of more costly and inefficient sexual reproduction?
I can see that I'm gonna regret this but anyways ...
Evolution isn't meant to be pretty, efficient or even any better than the babble. Evolution is a random process which relies on random change where the fittest survive and the weakest die. That way, a biological entity is able to adapt and change as its environment does.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. What kind of creator chappie puts a woman's pleasure beach next to her sewage works? A creator doesn't. At least a good one doesn't. Also, who in the right mind designs DNA that way such that when it mutates, it could give rise to cancer? Man evolved. The design ain't pretty. It ain't efficient but it works - just.
Science hasn't got all the answers - YET. But it will. Just because it doesn't have the answers yet, doesn't mean we got her via some sky wizard - which is so preposterous, it's positively laughable.
"theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.
" ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.
atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.
OGTG
A lack of belief = belief? I agree that is illogical.
Please help me see the connection to our discussion.
Why are you asking me? You are the one who wrote Atheism is about belief, not me. I merely pointed out that Atheism isn't about belief. It is a response to a belief and then we got into this circular discussion.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.
there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.
7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.
Ding
I wonder how many JWs in such a situation hope that a court will take the matter out of their hands and order the transfusion.
I wonder how many situations there have been where there hasn't been time enough for the courts to act and children have died needlessly?
in the early 1990s, i was in a meeting.
we were making some major changes to the main it system of the company i worked for.
during the meeting i said, 'what would happen if one of our major customers went belly up and shouldn't we build something into the system to cope with this?'.
Zeb
the revelation of the paedophile record.
Lots and lots of scandals hitting the evening media.. repeatedly.
some intelligent debate for the thinkers of the wt clinging to 607 in the face of the better evidence.
A few more cases like the Conti case being won with big payouts.
US Tax authority moving on NY bethel for tax purposes as they claim to be charity but do no charitable work .
The WT then dumping on individual congs as 'separate entities' that have to carry the costs of this. (Have you paid for your house there brother and sister Publisher?)
in the early 1990s, i was in a meeting.
we were making some major changes to the main it system of the company i worked for.
during the meeting i said, 'what would happen if one of our major customers went belly up and shouldn't we build something into the system to cope with this?'.
Millie210
I see what you mean - guess it wouldnt be huge enough to work.
I agree with Simon. It needs sustained action not just a one-off unless that one-off is absolutely huge.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.
there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.
7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.
Azor
She refused blood as any good JW would and died within a month. Leaving behind a teenage son scheduled for open heart surgery this year.
The emboldening and underlining is mine.
What is good about dying needlessly and leaving a sick teenage son without a mother?
This is sending out the wrong message to society.
Words fail me.
in the early 1990s, i was in a meeting.
we were making some major changes to the main it system of the company i worked for.
during the meeting i said, 'what would happen if one of our major customers went belly up and shouldn't we build something into the system to cope with this?'.
Millie210
What about a really juicy scandal with a Governing Body member at the epicenter?
Nah, that won't work. All that will happen is that new members will be appointed to gb who are of the same ilk as the existing ones and life will continue as normal.
Nah, what one needs to do, IMHO, is to highlight those cases where jovie parents are prepared to let their children die rather than have blood transfusions and to emphasise to all and sundry that jovie world is a high mind control cult.
in the early 1990s, i was in a meeting.
we were making some major changes to the main it system of the company i worked for.
during the meeting i said, 'what would happen if one of our major customers went belly up and shouldn't we build something into the system to cope with this?'.
Taxation has been mentioned - making jovie land pay tax would mean that they'd simply put yet more pressure on members to cough up more bucks.
A coup has been mentioned - however, some members would go with the current regime and the rest would go with the new. We would simply have two jovie worlds to deal with instead of one.
Paedophilia has been mentioned but it doesn't seem to adversely affect jovie world nor the katlicker church too much.
The only way this evil cult can be killed off as far as I can see is if far more people leave the organisation than joins it. It's that simple. You don't even have to get everyone to leave. Just enough such that the funds coming are insufficient to sustain the organisation. Once that happens, assets have to be liquidated and it's then downhill all the way. Eventually, although the organisation still may have a reasonably substantial membership, it will be untenable as an organisation because of the funding gap between what it needs to survive on a daily basis and the amount coming in. Of course they have assets that they can liquidate in the short term but although they are large, they aren't infinite. Besides, once the top management can't afford their large cars, houses and solid gold watches, they'll desert the sinking ship and the whole lot will quickly implode.
How do you get more people to leave than join?
Bad press. This causes existing members to leave and potential new ones not to join.
Essentially, this is what DoC & Simon were getting at.
