Posts by Doltologist

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All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

by FusionTheism in

it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

below i will show these reasons.. .

the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

Doltologist

FT

How do we know Jesus or the disciples viewed Adam as a literal person who actually existed?

Whoa there musky. Let's not get ahead of our selves.

First, we have to establish that jesus and his disciples existed, no?

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Resurrection - cell phone edition

by Simon in

i have an oldish phone - a samsung galaxy s3.

i don't feel the need for anything faster or better because i don't use it a ton.

i hardly ever call anyone or have anyone call me and it's mostly used for emergency remote access to the forum, to play the odd game and to text the kids to let them know i'm picking them up or they want to be picked up from somewhere (maybe i should sign up as an uber driver?

Doltologist

Heaven

'ancient' phone to run better.

Ancient phone?

I have a Samsung E800 which, the guy at EE told me on Sunday, is 10 years old and it still has it's original battery and it still works fine.

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Beware of this malware!

by The Searcher in

jw
friends

i foolishly downloaded an innocent looking pool game, and now i'm pretty certain this is how my p.c.

has been infected by a malware program called pixel.mathtag - i won't complete the full web address, just in case!.

my internet banking account was deleted, (i assume it was the malware's doing!

Doltologist

TS

I've just Googled it and there's a whole heap of web sites that tell you how to get rid of it. Are you saying that none of the methods work?

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

Doltologist

Cantleave

Remember that cults thrive on providing simplistic answers to complex questions to people who are too lazy to do their own research.

It's not just 'simplistic' answers that they provide. It's 'misleading' answers too.

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ARE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATISTICS REALLY TRUSTWORTHY?

by TerryWalstrom in

of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.

1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.

another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".

Doltologist

WTS & Trustworthy in the same sentence?

Yeh, right.

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Those who were converts from another faith. When did you realize that you were being lied to?

by TTWSYF in

my experiences have included being lied to about what the bible says.

mind you , i am not referring to scripture twisting, i mean out right lying about what is written.. obviously at least some here didn't realize until it was later.. just wondering what others experienced.. thanks.

Doltologist

The interaction that I've had with jovie world has led me to believe that it isn't so much lying that's at issue, it's more a case of :

what they don't say
what they 'help' you to assume
what they quote out of context
what they assume/hope that you don't know

It's not just the above that's at issue though. It's far more clever than that. What jovie world does is to slowly but deliberately build misconception upon misconception and, pretty soon, one has a totally skewed view of the world that bears no relation whatsoever to reality.

Based upon this approach, the only logical conclusion that one can draw is that the jovie way is the truth and that god exists and is as jovie world portrays him to be.

I've read a lot of jovie literature and it's quite clever too. What it does is to ask questions of the reader in such a manner that there is only one answer which appears to be logical. There is nothing wrong with the answer, given the way that the question is framed. However, there is everything wrong with the question because the framing is invalid and set in such a way that what appears to be the logical answer is, in fact, incorrect. Again, jovie literature builds incorrect answer on incorrect answer until, pretty soon, the only logical conclusion that one can draw is that the jovie way is the truth and that god exists and is as jovie world portrays him to be.

May no mistake, someone in jovie world has thought it through.

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

Doltologist

Punkofnice

Yup. They couldn't answer you so they relied on the WBT$ propaganda. It is hell being in a cult!

I think what annoyed me most was the insult. To think that someone would believe the BS in their two documents isn't treating the reader with respect. It assumes that the reader lacks knowledge and is gullible.

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Being shunned only increases my certainty that the WBT$ is a cult

by punkofnice in

well, i don't wanna rant too much but sometimes things cut you don't they.. a family member had a get together for the family, jw and non jw and of course i wasn't invited being da'd.. i understand why they couldn't invite me but it just made me think.

in normal society this wouldn't happen.

i'd have been there.. the shunning is so unnatural and damaging.

Doltologist

Punkofnice

Why shouldn't you rant? If we didn't rant occasionally, we'd go mad.

I'm sorry to hear your tale. It's such a pity that an entity that preaches love, understanding and peace would act in this manner. IMHO, it's below the salt.

That said, did you really need convincing that jw's are a cult?

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

Doltologist

Cofty/Tel

When I talk about life here on Earth, words are not enough to describe its diversity and its beauty. When I talk about what man has achieved in terms of science, art, music and literature, words fail because they are things that are beyond mere words.

However, none of this implies a plan or purpose or a 'creator' and that, I have found, is what religious people can't or won't accept. They can't or won't accept that life evolved here on Earth. They can't or won't accept that god doesn't exist. They can't or won't accept that god didn't create the heavens and the Earth and Man and all other life forms. They can't or won't accept that Man's achievements happened without god's help. They can't or won't accept that there is no life after death. They can't or won't accept that Man has no purpose whatsoever. Why?

Because they can't see how something as biologically complex as an eye or a brain, let alone a whole Man, could have evolved quite naturally. Therefore, god must exist and must have created Man.

What is not clearly understood, or even addressed, is the question of who created god? The invention of god only serves to put the central question back one step. What is also not understood is that they have replaced one set of difficult questions with a set which is equally difficult, if not more so. However, they repeat the mantra that god exists, has always existed, always will exist, that he is all knowing, all seeing and all powerful. They believe their mantra. This, then, means that they don't actually have to "THINK" about the implication of these statements and can simply accept them as fact without question. Once they do that, they can forget about science and evolution and simply accept the illogical nonsense that god did it all.

So. how did life on Earth evolve?

The first thing to understand is that life was not inevitable.

The second thing to understand is that there was no plan. Life did not evolve according to a pre-determined template.

The next thing to understand is that there wasn't a pre-determined end point. Life is not evolving in order to to arrive at a pre-determined end point which represents 'perfection'. Life evolves even today in order that it can better cope with its environment.

The next thing to understand is that life was accidental in that the conditions and elements necessary for life just happened to occur here on Earth.

My belief is that for what we refer to as 'life' to evolve somewhere in our universe, a special set of conditions such as temperature, pressure and chemical content must occur. The creation of 'life' may even be a staged process where conditions need to change in a given way at a given time in a given sequence.

The Universe is a place containing trillions of celestial bodies. It is also ever changing. It is also almost 14 billion years old. Given all of this, it comes as no surprise to find that life evolved in at least one place in this universe. We may find that life only exists here on Earth or we may not. Who knows. Until we understand the exact conditions needed for life to evolve, we can't even estimate how many other places in our universe are likely to contain life.

When I talk about 'attempts' at the creation of life, I am not talking about conscious and discrete efforts on the part of an 'intelligence' (AKA god). I am talking about an unplanned, natural, random and continuous process that takes place in all parts of the universe at all times which, in the vast, vast, vast majority of 'attempts' may not result in life or may result in 'near-life' which then fail.

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All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

by FusionTheism in

it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

below i will show these reasons.. .

the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

Doltologist

Opusdei1972

The problem is that Jesus and his apostles believed that Adam was the first man. However, Adam is the personage of a myth who born just 4000 years before Christ. But we know that the first men lived 200 000 years ago, and most probably they came from Africa and not from the garden of Eden which was, according to the Bible, in the Middle East, situated somewhere near where the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers are today. So, why should believe in the Gospel of Jesus, knowing that this Gospel contains serious errors????

Clearly, we shouldn't.