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  Help please! Looking for a WT quote--

  by stocwach in

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  i came across a website that included the oct. 1, 1994 wt, p. 6, as a reference for the society basically saying that reading the bible is not enough to understand scripture.

  the website did not give a direct quote however.

  i was wondering if anyone has a link to this specific wt passage?.

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  dungbeetle

  First of all, that's a typical cult-originated double-speak. Your topic was--STUDYING THE BIBLE ALONE. This respones was..READING THE BIBLE ALL THE THROUGH IN A YEAR. Apples and Oranges!! JW's are taught to respond dishonestly this way. The reasoning book is full of this.

  It is obvious that we need help if we are to understand the Bible. Clergyman Hal Llewellyn, the United Church's secretary of theology, faith, and ecumenism, said: "It is very important to clarify what the Bible means to us and how it is read and interpreted." But even if not all realize it, the fact is that we cannot understand the Bible on our own. We need help.

  There are in the Bible some puzzling sayings, perplexing questions, and profound statements that require unraveling. They may be intentionally obscure, employing meaningful comparisons that were not meant to be understood at the time they were written. But they did involve Jehovah's purposes. For example, Revelation 13:18 says that "the number of the wild beast" is "six hundred and sixty-six." While the verse says that "here is where wisdom comes in," it does not explain the significance of that number. Jehovah, through his organization, however, has allowed his loyal servants to understand its meaning today. (See box, "Channel to Understanding the Bible.") You too can gain this understanding with the assistance of those who are experienced in "handling the word of the truth aright."-2 Timothy 2:2, 15, 23-25; 4:2-5; Proverbs 2:1-5.

  And there's more double speak...The comment about the Bereans? That's only half the story--the STUDIED TEH SCRIPTURES TO SEE IF THEY WERE TRUE!!!!! Left something out, did the Watchtower, eh?
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  bethelite kills self because of guilt 10/31/73

  by new boy in

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  i was working on my car in the factory {bld.

  1} on friday oct. 31 1973, when all hell broke loose, the fire alarm in bld.

  4 went off at about 9:30. the night watchman could find nothing.

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  dungbeetle

  You guys should send this story to the Oregonian.

  and add this or something like it:

  this is how I explain it--very simply:

  When your car is broken, you take it to an auto mechanic and not to a carpenter.

  When your washing machine is broken, you call in an appliance repairperson and not the Catholic priest.

  When confronted with someone who is exhibiting symptoms of depressions, bi-polar disorder or other mental illness, Watchtower elders call in the literature, meetings and filed service instead of a physician and mental health professional.

  And we all know why.

  so you see, everyone can imagine how expulsion'shunning(or the threat of it)can affect a HEALTHY individual---imagine the effect on someone suffering from undiagnosed and untreated clinical depression or worse...and that's how the Bryants and the Longos and the Freemans and the Stovalls happen.

  Or a James Olsen ...may they ALL rest in peace and never be forgotten.
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  explaining JW suicide to an outsider

  by wasasister in

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  a good friend living in oregon wrote to me about the mcminnville suicide/murder.

  i thought i'd share with you my response.

  an interesting question to be sure.

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  dungbeetle

  this is how I explain it--very simply:

  When your car is broken, you take it to an auto mechanic and not to a carpenter.

  When your washing machine is broken, you call in an appliance repairperson and not the Catholic priest.

  When confronted with someone who is exhibiting symptoms of depressions, bi-polar disorder or other mental illness, Watchtower elders call in the literature, meetings and filed service instead of a physician and mental health professional.

  And we all know why.

  so you see, everyone can imagine how expulsion'shunning can affect a HEALTHY individual---imagine the effect on someone suffering from undiagnosed and untreated clinical depression or worse...and that's how the Bryants adn the Longos and the Freemans and the Stovalls happen.

  (((((((((wasa)))))))))

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  MORE NEWS COVERAGE TONIGHT

  by VeniceIT in

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  tonight there is going to be an extensive interview involveing the practises of shunning among other things with the wts.

  a sister has been interviewed for nearly 45 min today and it will be on the 5 o'clock news on koin 6 tv.

  please watch and tape this, also contact the reporters with more info.

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  dungbeetle

  Dakota---you have email.

  Doesn't anybody ever SLEEP around here?

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  Bryant Family Memorial Service

  by dungbeetle in

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  some contact infor for anyone who wants it:.

  here is the address of the chruch:.

  325 nw.

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  dungbeetle

  another shameless bttt
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  Depression

  by DazedAndConfused in

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  since leaving the organism i have had a problem with emotional situations.

  i have bee labeled "bp", for those that don't know what bp is.....it is bi-polar.

  what i am finding is that anyone that shows a behavior that is not in the norm....they are labeled bp.. we are given lithium and a meriad of other me's to correct this "condition".

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  dungbeetle

  here it is...the lithium calculater!!!!

  http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Li/biol.html

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  Update on Oregon Murder/Suicide

  by Farkel in

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  i just finished watching the koin tv news in portland.

  they had patricia garza on.

  she's an ex-jw who said she lost all friends when she left the dubs.

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  dungbeetle

  I posted this on another thread, here it is for you:

  Let me explain it to you this Yadirf:

  When your car is broken, you take it to an auto mechanic and not to a carpenter.

  When your washing machine is broken, you call in an appliance repairperson and not the Catholic priest.

  When confronted with someone who is exhibiting symptoms of depressions, bi-polar disorder or other mental illness, Watchtower elders call in the literature, meetings and filed service instead of a physician and mental health professional.

  And we all know why.

  Hugs to everyone who posted on this thread.
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  Bryant Family Memorial Service

  by dungbeetle in

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  some contact infor for anyone who wants it:.

  here is the address of the chruch:.

  325 nw.

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  dungbeetle

  Let me explain it to you this Yadirf:

  When your car is broken, you take it to an auto mechanic and not to a carpenter.

  When your washing machine is broken, you call in an appliance repairperson and not the Catholic priest.

  When confronted with someone who is exhibiting symptoms of depressions, bi-polar disorder or other mental illness, Watchtower elders call in the literature, meetings and filed service instead of a physician and mental health professional.

  And we all know why.

  I don't doubt we are going to find that those children might be alive today if their parents had not been JW's. we sahll see.

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  Depression

  by DazedAndConfused in

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  since leaving the organism i have had a problem with emotional situations.

  i have bee labeled "bp", for those that don't know what bp is.....it is bi-polar.

  what i am finding is that anyone that shows a behavior that is not in the norm....they are labeled bp.. we are given lithium and a meriad of other me's to correct this "condition".

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  dungbeetle

  your post reads 'depression' but the content is 'manic-depression/bi-polar disorder; is it perhaps possible that you need to do a little more research?

  Working as a nurse, I've had a little bit of experience in the mental health field (not enough I'll admit). There is also bi-polar disorder on both sides of my family.

  While lithium is classified as a drug/medicine/pharmacological etc etc, it is just a mineral, it occurs in nature and is usually found within our bodies. here's a little bit about it:

  http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/l/lithium.asp

  here's a little about its history as a medicine:

  http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/psychology/781/lithium.htm

  There used to be a website, where you put in your weight and it would tell you how much lithium you normally have in your body.

  Under normal circumstances, running water such as from rivers. lakes and stream have lithium in it. Well water adn most city water does not contain lithium. Someone noticed years ago that when a community changed over from private water to municipally treated water, violence, mental illness and domestic violence rose sharply. They figured out it was the lithium that the residents were no longer getting.

  Tho it is not classified as a nutrient, it looks as though it should be. It also looks as tho NOT having lithium in correct amounts at a young age (just as having a diet poor in ANY nutrient) can affect that person's metabolic development all through life. That seems to be why some people need lithium supplements all through their adult life, just as some people who have had allergies at a young age seem to do better on large amounts of the B and C vitamins, amounts above the norm.

  People with the symptoms of bi-polar disorder do not seem to do well without lithium supplements, just as persons who catch colds and flus easily do not seem to do well with extra vitamin C and B.

  Bi-polar symptoms are so commonly diagnosed in our society these days, there has been a movement within the medical field to make lithium available over-the-counter. This would cut our heatlth care costs tremendously. Even so, the stigma of having a 'mental illnes'would still discourage the people who need it most from using it unfortunately.

  By the way, viral assaults such as cold and flu have been known to bring on the relapses or exacerbation of symptoms (of depression, bi-polar AND schizophrenia). At the mental health facilites, when they are aware of a flu epidemic through the city, they brace for an increase in admissions. They always go together. GET THAT FLU SHOT!!!

  I'm sure this is more info thatn you wanted...I wish you the best DandC.
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  Bryant Family Memorial Service

  by dungbeetle in

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  some contact infor for anyone who wants it:.

  here is the address of the chruch:.

  325 nw.

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  dungbeetle

  thanks (((((anew))))))

  I also posted on h20 this same topic..