Posts by kifoy

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Christian Family Gets 5 Children Taken Away by Gov't for Teaching God Punishes Sin

by GodZoo in

child welfare services in norway have reportedly removed five christian children from their parents' home and placed them into foster care after the parents were accused of radicalizing and indoctrinating their children with christianity.. according to the british-based christian institute, norway's child protection services, known as the barnevernet, seized the three sons and two daughters of ruth and marius bodnariu in mid-november.. .

although the family wasn't quite sure at the time why their children were being taken away from them, their lawyer discovered that the parents were being charged with christian indoctrination.http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-family-gets-5-children-taken-away-by-govt-for-teaching-god-punishes-sin-151693/.

kifoy

Back to the first post:

Child welfare services in Norway have reportedly removed five Christian children from their parents' home and placed them into foster care after the parents were accused of radicalizing and indoctrinating their children with Christianity.

Well. That is not the whole truth. The religion was not the tipping point. That was when the parents was suspected to beat their children. So when "religous indoctrination" means that the parents find them selves entitled to beat their kids, yes, Barnevernet steps in. And that is the case here, as far as I have understood. The parents are being charged for violence against their own children, not for religious indoctrination.

Please read: http://www.vl.no/do-not-use-the-word-persecution-lightly-1.668127

Physical abuse of children is utterly forbidden in Norway, and that law trumps any religious belief that you may beat your kids. This has caused even the Watchtower to edit their publications in Norway so that parents are no longer (openly) adviced to beat their kids. But some religious movements i Norway are still believing in the "biblical" (abusive) upbringing of their children.

So I don't understand these protests. Either someone has misunderstood completely, or they think child-beating is ok.

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Please post new forum feedback or questions here

by Simon in

well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.

kifoy

I only miss the RSS feed…

I don't visit every day, and when I do visit it's really difficult to find out what's new since last time. So I've been subscribing to the RSS feed for the last couple of years, and that have been working perfectly. But now there's no RSS feed… :(

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Need help talking with my JW mom who's now willing to "listen" to what we have to say...

by 2pink in

my husband and i (both born in jws--entire extended families all still in excpet for my sister) left the church 5 years ago.

i literally woke up one day and realized it wasn't the "truth".

i did not fade, i just left and told my family i didn't believe it anymore.

kifoy

I've got some verses that really stumped my mom (but then she blanked, and changed the subject).

Compare the following verses: Revelation 1:8 and 22:13.

Read carefully, including the context. Who, according to the Bible text, is Alpha and Omega?

If possible also compare a couple of other Bible translations, because I think the NWT may have conveniently used a quote in the last verse, suggesting that the speaker was quoting the Alpha and Omega mentioned in Rev. chapter 1.

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Does anyone from Norway know?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

does anyone from norway know what is the nearest congregation to olden?.

i tried to figure it out on the jw.org website but they don't seem to have a "nearest congregations to" option, which would be really useful..

kifoy

I see. Well, yes, I have been fading a little bit from the forum, lately :)

I know some former witnesses, but not many :)

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Does anyone from Norway know?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

does anyone from norway know what is the nearest congregation to olden?.

i tried to figure it out on the jw.org website but they don't seem to have a "nearest congregations to" option, which would be really useful..

kifoy

Well, I didn't :)

I know the area a little bit (visiting or driving through on a few occasions), but I just had to check the map to figure out exactly where Olden is, and what's nearby. Distances on the west coast of Norway is not exaclty straightforward :)

Then I searched the public record for congregations. All congregations have to be registered as organizations. I don't know if the records are available from abroad, but they are searchable from here: http://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/

And a search for "jehovas" gives you all the congregations in Norway :)

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Does anyone from Norway know?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

does anyone from norway know what is the nearest congregation to olden?.

i tried to figure it out on the jw.org website but they don't seem to have a "nearest congregations to" option, which would be really useful..

kifoy

Olden on the west coast of Norway?

(Comparing Google Maps with the public register) There's a (very small, I think) congregation "Nordfjord menighet" in Nordfjordeid (about 60 km - 1 hour drive - west of Olden). In the vicinity (within 1-2 hours drive from Olden) there are also congregations in Volda/Ørsta (north) and Førde (south-west). Førde is the largest congregation.

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Sound Booth 2010-11 DC Recordings!

by yknot in

download link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/3o43xy.

download link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jni94n.

download link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/aeh7hi.

kifoy

I only get "Sorry, the file you requested is not available."

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Unbelievable CO Talk, scientists lie to us about earthquakes

by maninthemiddle in

just when i thought this stupid belief that earthquakes went up in 1914, here it is again.

4/6/2010.

this was a co giving the talk, the same one that ended with overlapping generations.. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27642/earthquake.mp3.

kifoy

Is the recording still available somewhere?

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February 2010 Study Watchtower - Millions Now Living 'May' Never Die

by Marni Mai in

just noticed that in the february 2010 study edition of the watchtower, they refer to the "millions now living will never die" talk in 1918, but they have changed the title to "millions now living may never die".

only problem, they included the picture of the invitation to the talk, which says 'will'.. ooops.

it's on page 16. enjoy.. .

kifoy

Funny... But I do have to say that this "word play" has been totally lost in the Norwegian translation. Here the public talk has been translated with the word for "shall" (there's really no easy translation of "may" in this context).

So if this was really a deliberate "so that it can't be said that we were totally wrong" replacement of this word, it may very well be totally lost in translation...

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"The Wonders of Creation Reveal God's Glory" DVD -- watch on YouTube!

by inkling in

ok, so out of boredom and curiosity, i have unleashed the new.

dvd "the wonders of creation reveal god's glory" on the.

unsuspecting public!.

kifoy

Thank you!

But it seems to me as if part 4 should have been part 12? And the end of part 5 is the same as the beginning of part 9... or am I totally confused here?

I've seen the first three parts, and I must say that this was surely made for them who are already convinced.
And what normal 12-year-old (or something), when telling his father what he remembered from last year's vacation, would say "the sunsets"???