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  Australian Royal Commission

  by Coded Logic in

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  2. scandals

  just realized next month it'll be one year since the whole thing began.

  anybody heard anything new or know what happens next?.

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  kifoy

  Love the comic! What's the source? I see no signature.
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  Christian Family Gets 5 Children Taken Away by Gov't for Teaching God Punishes Sin

  by GodZoo in

  1. social
  2. current

  child welfare services in norway have reportedly removed five christian children from their parents' home and placed them into foster care after the parents were accused of radicalizing and indoctrinating their children with christianity.. according to the british-based christian institute, norway's child protection services, known as the barnevernet, seized the three sons and two daughters of ruth and marius bodnariu in mid-november.. .

  although the family wasn't quite sure at the time why their children were being taken away from them, their lawyer discovered that the parents were being charged with christian indoctrination.http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-family-gets-5-children-taken-away-by-govt-for-teaching-god-punishes-sin-151693/.

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  kifoy

  First: I responded to the obviously false claim that the children was taken away because of "religious indoctrination", which have let to all this hysteria and demonstration from Christians.

  I do not know this particular case in detail (other that through the media) or whether or not the suspicion of abuse have been proven right or wrong at this point. According to Wikipedia “The Bodnariu spouses have admitted that they have physically disciplined their children, which is a criminal offence in Norway. But they argue that the measure is far too severe in respect to the "mild spanking" they have applied to their children.” So what is “mild spanking”? Even ear-pinching is considered as abuse in Norway, and therefore forbidden.

  In principle, I of course can understand the reactions when "foreign" kids are taken away from their families. On the other hand: If the family live and work in Norway, they have to abide by Norwegian law. And according to Norwegian law, spanking is forbidden. And when parents spank their kids, Barnevernet steps in. That's Norwegian law. Children are to be kept safe from abuse, regardless of nationality.

  Barnevernet, as far as I know, always tries to solve issues within the family first. If they find this insufficient, and fear for the child's safety, the child may be taken into foster care.

  I will not claim that Barnevernet is flawless. They have had cases that have both been handled really good and really bad. The latter may very well also be the case here, I cannot know, as I have no detailed insight to the case. And I do not think you know the case in detail either, do you? At least you have a lot of undocumented claims here that I can't relate to.

  I don't know why Norway have not signed the agreement you mention (and I don't know in detail what that agreement is about). Normally Norway is one if the first to sign agreements related to human or children's rights.

  [EDIT: I checked. The law on ratification of the Haag convention of 1996 has been announced (sept. 2015), but is awaiting the final approval]
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  Christian Family Gets 5 Children Taken Away by Gov't for Teaching God Punishes Sin

  by GodZoo in

  1. social
  2. current

  child welfare services in norway have reportedly removed five christian children from their parents' home and placed them into foster care after the parents were accused of radicalizing and indoctrinating their children with christianity.. according to the british-based christian institute, norway's child protection services, known as the barnevernet, seized the three sons and two daughters of ruth and marius bodnariu in mid-november.. .

  although the family wasn't quite sure at the time why their children were being taken away from them, their lawyer discovered that the parents were being charged with christian indoctrination.http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-family-gets-5-children-taken-away-by-govt-for-teaching-god-punishes-sin-151693/.

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  kifoy

  Back to the first post:

  Child welfare services in Norway have reportedly removed five Christian children from their parents' home and placed them into foster care after the parents were accused of radicalizing and indoctrinating their children with Christianity.

  Well. That is not the whole truth. The religion was not the tipping point. That was when the parents was suspected to beat their children. So when "religous indoctrination" means that the parents find them selves entitled to beat their kids, yes, Barnevernet steps in. And that is the case here, as far as I have understood. The parents are being charged for violence against their own children, not for religious indoctrination.

  Please read: http://www.vl.no/do-not-use-the-word-persecution-lightly-1.668127

  Physical abuse of children is utterly forbidden in Norway, and that law trumps any religious belief that you may beat your kids. This has caused even the Watchtower to edit their publications in Norway so that parents are no longer (openly) adviced to beat their kids. But some religious movements i Norway are still believing in the "biblical" (abusive) upbringing of their children.

  So I don't understand these protests. Either someone has misunderstood completely, or they think child-beating is ok.
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  Please post new forum feedback or questions here

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.

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  kifoy

  I only miss the RSS feed…

  I don't visit every day, and when I do visit it's really difficult to find out what's new since last time. So I've been subscribing to the RSS feed for the last couple of years, and that have been working perfectly. But now there's no RSS feed… :(
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  Need help talking with my JW mom who's now willing to "listen" to what we have to say...

  by 2pink in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my husband and i (both born in jws--entire extended families all still in excpet for my sister) left the church 5 years ago.

  i literally woke up one day and realized it wasn't the "truth".

  i did not fade, i just left and told my family i didn't believe it anymore.

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  kifoy

  I've got some verses that really stumped my mom (but then she blanked, and changed the subject).

  Compare the following verses: Revelation 1:8 and 22:13.

  Read carefully, including the context. Who, according to the Bible text, is Alpha and Omega?

  If possible also compare a couple of other Bible translations, because I think the NWT may have conveniently used a quote in the last verse, suggesting that the speaker was quoting the Alpha and Omega mentioned in Rev. chapter 1.
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  Does anyone from Norway know?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone from norway know what is the nearest congregation to olden?.

  i tried to figure it out on the jw.org website but they don't seem to have a "nearest congregations to" option, which would be really useful..

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  kifoy

  I see. Well, yes, I have been fading a little bit from the forum, lately :)

  I know some former witnesses, but not many :)
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  Does anyone from Norway know?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone from norway know what is the nearest congregation to olden?.

  i tried to figure it out on the jw.org website but they don't seem to have a "nearest congregations to" option, which would be really useful..

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  kifoy

  Well, I didn't :)

  I know the area a little bit (visiting or driving through on a few occasions), but I just had to check the map to figure out exactly where Olden is, and what's nearby. Distances on the west coast of Norway is not exaclty straightforward :)

  Then I searched the public record for congregations. All congregations have to be registered as organizations. I don't know if the records are available from abroad, but they are searchable from here: http://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/

  And a search for "jehovas" gives you all the congregations in Norway :)
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  Does anyone from Norway know?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone from norway know what is the nearest congregation to olden?.

  i tried to figure it out on the jw.org website but they don't seem to have a "nearest congregations to" option, which would be really useful..

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  kifoy

  Olden on the west coast of Norway?

  (Comparing Google Maps with the public register) There's a (very small, I think) congregation "Nordfjord menighet" in Nordfjordeid (about 60 km - 1 hour drive - west of Olden). In the vicinity (within 1-2 hours drive from Olden) there are also congregations in Volda/Ørsta (north) and Førde (south-west). Førde is the largest congregation.
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  Sound Booth 2010-11 DC Recordings!

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  download link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/3o43xy.

  download link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jni94n.

  download link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/aeh7hi.

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  kifoy

  I only get "Sorry, the file you requested is not available."
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  Unbelievable CO Talk, scientists lie to us about earthquakes

  by maninthemiddle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just when i thought this stupid belief that earthquakes went up in 1914, here it is again.

  4/6/2010.

  this was a co giving the talk, the same one that ended with overlapping generations.. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27642/earthquake.mp3.

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  kifoy

  Is the recording still available somewhere?