i would like to share my understanding of armageddon & the end of the 1,000 year reign.
i would really appreciate any criticism, or facts that dispute this understanding... especially if the facts are from the bible.. - adam & eve were perfect and they sinned with a perfect mind & body.. - all mankind that has lived since adam & eve have been imperfect, none have had the ability to resist sin, nor have they had the ability to see or understant absolute truth that can only originate from god.. - if imperfect humans were judged, while still imperfect, one could reason that adam & eve had been given a better chance at life then what the rest of humanity was given.. - 1 john 4:8,9.
- 1 timothy 2:6. armageddon.
Objectivetruth,
Read the so-called gnostic gospels. They are short. Ask yourself why they are heresies. ask yourself why the teachings of Jesus took a second place to having to believe a resurrection saves.
I have other readings but this is pertinent--for me.
Sorry, gotta go--look forward to your comments.
i would like to share my understanding of armageddon & the end of the 1,000 year reign.
i would really appreciate any criticism, or facts that dispute this understanding... especially if the facts are from the bible.. - adam & eve were perfect and they sinned with a perfect mind & body.. - all mankind that has lived since adam & eve have been imperfect, none have had the ability to resist sin, nor have they had the ability to see or understant absolute truth that can only originate from god.. - if imperfect humans were judged, while still imperfect, one could reason that adam & eve had been given a better chance at life then what the rest of humanity was given.. - 1 john 4:8,9.
- 1 timothy 2:6. armageddon.
You have a very limited pool of facts to draw from in the bible--That is if we share the same definition of the word "fact".
What "fact" can you present that Armageddon and the 1,000 year reign are even from Jesus or his Father? Without any facts to support this subject---what does it matter about other bible "facts"?
Objectivetruth, when some of us left the JWs we often learned of the distortion and lies of religion. We are wary of accepting cock-and-bull stories. Also the long accretions of control that becomes imbedded in the "so-called knowledge" of men--Oh, not just men--HOLY men makes your "simple" understanding sound like just another chaotic theological puzzle. The problem with these puzzles is there get to be only claims from a select few to interpret them properly.
Show me facts first.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
very good, sir.
pm sent,
Maeve
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Flame,
You sense there is more than meets the eye about god questions--I sympathize.
For me and theology-- it has to be simpler than much of what I have heard in church. The knowledge about "getting saved" from misery and from being a bad person has to have a simpler, better way of getting out to us.
Death isn't the worst. But confusion, misery and pain suck.
See we don't get to pick out how death goes. And myself and most the people I live around--hey, they don't have time to fret about who god is or if he is: they have to get ON WITH IT.
Years back I saw a documentary about forest pygmies of Africa. They knew they were going to hell(yes HELL)because they killed and ate the forest elephants. But that is all they could do to live. they were caught in LIFE.
I feel like that too.Caught in life. I have to grab what I can from what I think, what i can read, from places like this and run with it.
At the end of this day, I figure god is love and love is god. If there IS a loving god he would understand how it is to be puzzled at so much suffering on the earth--and why I can't believe in Him if Christian Theism is right.
As Apog has suggested, certainty is pressed upon us. But standing in btween is a place some find themselves (Hello,Kate, Jgnat et al) --and I think it isn't the result of being DIS-honest. It is because we honestly don't KNOW any better.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Flamegrilled--
We used to have milk goats--and we ate them, too.(SORRY!)
We had ultimate power over them. We had more affection for them than the bible/christian God does for his children on earth.
It conflicted US that we named them and butchered them. But to cause them suffering--Hell no.
Is this a flawed relationship with other creatures--no doubt!--But to cause terror and suffering to them--NO.
I nursed with my own breast a newborn goat when there were no nannies "fresh" to keep her from starving. again--why? if only to hold a knife over her later....But I couldn't see her starve, suffer.
god can do better than this, can't he?
tight pants - tempting the gays to chase you: you cannot resist their advances bad bad bad!!!!!!!!!!!!.
baggy pants - in a 1993 witchtower baggy pants were a sign you are a rapper : bad bad bad!!!!!!!!!!.
pants just right?
Hey Julia!! LOL, the reason JWs are so contrarian is because........They have to shop at thrift stores (what can you BUY with a window washer's pay????) hahahaha Maeve
tight pants - tempting the gays to chase you: you cannot resist their advances bad bad bad!!!!!!!!!!!!.
baggy pants - in a 1993 witchtower baggy pants were a sign you are a rapper : bad bad bad!!!!!!!!!!.
pants just right?
Anyone remembering the study about the priests going up the steps to serve in the temple? Had to wear pants under their robes...NOOOO PEEEEKING!
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
LisaRose--"I would like to believe in God, but the facts don't fit for me."
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
flamegrilled,
Sorry I am late to reply. I had to leave for the day just after my post and just read your reply.
You do see evidence of God's power AND love in the universe?
I have a deep love for nature and the workings of the universe. What I've experienced in my own body gives me a tremendous awe for existence and consciousness. It may have been created by intelligence and power--( both you AND cofty fall short of 100% in your certainty of your position). I am not certain either.
But if I might see power in a creator, his love isn't certain. But I am certain that I cannot gather figs from thistles. If the story is that we reflect the character of god then I cannot see a loving God giving birth to a child and then killing it.
So that is why I assumed you don't see evidence of Power-AND-Love in god either.
I know the missing piece is (probably)that the Christ story because it involves resurrection. But how negotiable are the features of salvation in the bible? If working people don't land in the right theology-aren't we damned again? The salvation is limited.
You understand "salvation" differently?
But all in all--it is in the gulf that exists between love and power that our doubts do not find rest.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
flamegrilled,
My hat is off to you. No irony.*
Without evidence you have the hope, the faith to believe in a god who has not acted with love and power.
You value love? You are trusting that God will indeed restore with tenderness the poor sufferers who had no relief in this life--and no knowledge of Jesus as Christ?
That is a faith in a theodicy that the NT has never supported,as far as I know.
*It is hard not to feel ironic.
