Transhuman,
Not only out of print, but didn't a guy named Duncan who wrote it get disfellowshipped in the 1980s?
once you start viewing "worldly" people as people, just like yourself and everyone else, you can't help but to be filled with love and appreciation.. i read this scripture today and liked it :.
james 3:7-9 - for every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue.
it is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
Transhuman,
Not only out of print, but didn't a guy named Duncan who wrote it get disfellowshipped in the 1980s?
although i was exposed to the jw's as a child as the only religion i knew, i was not a jw until i got out of the navy as a conscientious objector.
so i was typical "worldly" when i hit 18 out of high school and i got to see the world before personal catastrophy involving heavy drinking made me turn to the lies that i thought were "the truth.
" so just over 30 years ago, i got the special privilege of serving as the original crew of a brand new ship with a crew slightly over 200. i served 5 years on the "uss worldly" and then left to become a jw.. when you are the first crew, you learn together how to use that ship, how to run things smoothly.
This thread has made me weep tonight. There were such great people I "left behind for the kingdom's sake". They were there for me when i came to my senses. I just am sorry for the years I spent in such futility. I am sorry for my family.
It is wonderful to read this thread even though it has affected me with tears. It is emotion not simply sadness. The stories of authentic selves budding forth are so moving. Friendships. Lost loves found.
Good thread, good night.
Maeve
noah, my movie review.
you may have already judged this film and you've never seen it!
like many of its critics, you think you know what you're going to see and .
A great review is a thought-provoking literary form that enriches the reader whether or not the material under consideration is deemed good, bad or indifferent.
You stirred my brain on this one, Terry. Some great insights and a difficult place (JWN) to present a "thumbs up" on a bible-based drama.
And now--I might see the film.
Maeve
i heard that it happened a couple of days ago.
he's in his 60's, was a prominent bethelite from a long line of bible student/jw family.. another one bites the dust..
I would love the details, Minimus. Any chance we'll get some?
not sure of the point of telling my story, but just got off the phone with my grandma and i am so angry, stressed and i don't know what else...i guess i just wanted to hear from someone other than my husband that i'm not crazy for my reaction to family interaction.. my condensed story gramatical errors and all :).
father was a born in jw, mother was a convert.
i was born the last of 3 siblings and shortly after my birth in 1981 my parents divorced.
Patty--
Hello. What an escape story. And how messed up it is that uncle-daddy's apology should make you forget the crimes he committed against you when he should have protected you!
Insanity! Insanity!
You're making a life --but no thanks, JWs.
Welcome in.
Maeve
i admit i no longer believe in god and holy books.. thinking of the made up 'universal sovereignty' thing, surely if god existed in the way the holy books describe him then he could have thought of something better than humankind suffering thousands of years and the slaughter of jesus?.
couldn't god have said: 'well, satan is a very naughty boy but you all know how great i am so we can end it now.
i will lovingly kill satan and his mates and that's that.
A related idea to your prompt, Punky, came to me as I posted in Snare's thread "A medieval question for you ...if you believe in god..."
While I was puzzling out a question Snare put out from a 1400s(?) theologian--I recalled the crazy complicated solution that same educated churchman, Thomas Aquinas,figured for Jesus to be born sinless from a sinless woman (of course Daddy J-but-not-Joseph was above reproach). St Tom helped put the finishing touches on the Immaculate Conception dogma.
It suddenly came to me that the amazing thing that God is supposed to have done to make Mary a perfect, holy vessel for the-son-of-god shouduv,coulduv been done from the get-go----FOR ORDINARY OL' ADAM & EVE!
That's what you said above, right? God had options. He just was too hateful to pick any of them. His way was the cruelest from any stand point--even not counting the gorey crucifixion of Jesus.
There has been WAY, WAY too much suffering.
If I were God, and people stopped believing in me--I'd be sooooo relieved. I'd just tip-toe out the back door and hope nobody remembered I had ever been around.
Universal Sovereignty. Pretty sick idea. and religion keeps covering for Him.
Maeve
hi guys, um maybe i'm posting this in the wrong area, i'm the same buck rogers from jwr infamy if anyone else peruses the forums, just decided to take a breather from there, and in the mean time aquai myself with you guys!
a bit about myself before i go uploading my life story,4th generation born in,non baptised left in 2001, walked around for a further 7 years still believing like a dumbass.. hope to get to know you all and look forward to reading your stories and participatin in your lively banter!
go you guys!.
Howdie Doodie! ...from Arkansas, U.S.A.
i wanted to give this very public shout-out and congratulations to alltimejeff, who i have come to find out had turned in his letter of da, twice, then was read out at the meeting recently.
for those not knowing, atf was a 2005 gilead graduate, bethelite, missionary.
they mean the leadership.
This is the best description of the dawning reality that rose up when i had to deal with the elders and Bethel on a certain matter.
No one care about faith in God or Jesus. It was ALL about the FDS/GB.
Great post.
been wanting to talk about this for a while... three years ago on this forum my friend cedars brought this up.
let's do it!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sykaxxpyos.
do it. and..... do it.
Lead in would be the slews of reviews on Amazon from the grateful readers of CoC for shining the light on the ruinous hypocrisy and calculated lies of the WTBTS.
hello everybody, before i begin i just wanna say that i have really found alot of great posts on here that have been helpful forme , theres definitely alot of brilliant people here!.
i am a born in jw(24 years old) ive been baptized for 7 years and was a ministerial servant for 4 years(i am no longer one).
recently me and my parents have have woken up to ttatt(about 2 months ago).
If she stays in and you know it's basically BS, you have unending heartache for sure. You'll have tension that will follow you to the bedroom and to the lives of children and who become friends. You will have problems going on vacations that you can agree on. Problems, problems problems.
Religion that demands full loyalty from her will break your heart. You want to give all your heart? How much is she allowed to give?
The convention program says marriage, family are below "Jehovah".
Think about it, Batman.