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  But they are only 8 imperfect men!!!

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  i'm fed up of my still-in wife using this excuse that they can utter wrong beliefs and doctrines.. .

  the fact that there are imperfect humans involved in the organisation is very much irrelevant.. .

  we all accept, including jdubs, that these men are just men who may think and say wrong things like the rest of us as they go about their own lives.

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  humbled

  BU2B,

  Fantastic point!

  the double bind strikes again!

  "Be obedient to those taking the lead...." Heb.13:17

  "So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God." Rom. 13:12
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  Yoo-Hoo I love Publicity Like this- Welsh TV Exposure

  by Slidin Fast in

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  http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2014-09-29/jehovahs-witness-sex-abuse-victims-call-for-organisation-to-be-held-accountable/.

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  Hey, hey, Motorman!

  First post!

  See you soon again?

  SlidingFast, Great article--brave people to lay it on the line for the public.

  THINK PEOPLE!! JWs ARE JUST PEOPLE--NOT A 'SPECIAL POSSESSION'--as long as you put up with this mind control you are merely specially possessed.
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  JW's and depression

  by FeelingFree in

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  i was wondering how many of you suffered badly with depression when you were in "the truth" and if you feel your depression was related to being part of the organisation?

  are you better now you have left or still have issue's?

  whatever your experience's i would be very intrested to know (if you feel you can talk about it.).

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  Ajax,

  Found your note this morning. Your kind words coming out from the flat screen nevertheless were full and round for me. thanks

  --The anonymity that is neccesary to be open about our pain imposes certain limits here. But along with it there are aspects that are unbounded and wonderful as well---from out of the blue we can experience a drive-by soothing.

  Have a lovely day.

  Maeve
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  Am I the youngest one on here?

  by Capstone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i finally registered on here after reading on the forum for almost two years on and off (more often the last year).

  to give you some background on who i am i can say that i'm a girl in my late teens and live in western europe.

  my mom is a jw and my dad is not.

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  humbled

  The elders may want to talk to you--but they have no"legitimate" reason to do it.

  My daughters left "the Truth" while they were still in the home. My husband was not a JW. All three girls went to college and are doing well.

  I do and did then believe there must be choice in becoming a member of a religion. Coersion is ALWAYS wrong. and I did stand by the girls--even the one whose leaving was a torment for us both--she was baptized. (a long and interesting story)

  It may be hard to live with honesty but in my opinion it is by far the healthiest thing you can do nfor now and for your future.

  Take care and---good for you. You sound like you are a grand girl.

  Maeve
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  My best friend died yesterday

  by TimeBandit in

  1. jw
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  sometimes people make special connections to animals.

  sometimes they bond very deeply and are real friends.

  yesterday was the end of such a friendship that lasted ten wonderful years.

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  humbled

  I know how much you had to love your friend to end his suffering. Nothing says it so well as that. It is amazing to find such friendship and love in the hearts of another creature, isn't it?

  Take care,

  Maeve
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  JW's and depression

  by FeelingFree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was wondering how many of you suffered badly with depression when you were in "the truth" and if you feel your depression was related to being part of the organisation?

  are you better now you have left or still have issue's?

  whatever your experience's i would be very intrested to know (if you feel you can talk about it.).

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  I was a cradle Catholic, wandered into the clutches of the Witnesses at 35 years of age.

  Catholic guilt and Irish genes, a difficult family situation and the being a JW for 22 years.

  Depression? OH YEAH! up-and-down-in-and-out. the only good was reading the gospels without the propaganda attached. all that eventually got me through religion and out.

  In and out of counselling when I could afford it--even as a JW. Small spurts without real--like taking an antibiotic for tooshort a time.....

  This past month suffered a mental collapse that sent me to a mental health facility. I am having to deal with the aftermath--

  -I do recognize the effects of trusting a sky-daddy to write the narrative of your own life. I suffer terribly from overwhelming sadness at the mis-use of the precious time with my children and husband. when I see the strugglesof my children I cannot help but grieve for my mistakes.

  JW's suffer certainly from religious distortion of our mental/emotional growth. But other religions can be hazards to us as well.
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  Are first world countries to blame for the bulk of third world squalor?

  by tootired2care in

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  throughout several past threads various posters have emphatically made the point that countries like great britian, united states, france etc.

  basically countries where white people exist, are to blame for the poverty in many other third world nations.

  some have even went so far as to suggest that the first world is to blame for all third world conditions.. i often see excuses such as these for why a country refuses to provide clean water, some food and basic sanitation for its people:.

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  It seems that economic exploitation of poorer nations by richer nations keeps them from being a threat to the powerful nations. If a poorer nation tries to cut free of service then there are pretexts made or else covert actions aken to destabilize them. Rich Man's Club vs. anyone who wants a chance

  At the top of it all is greed--not so much patriotism/nationalism. Just money/power/greed setting up shop in the countries that are best able to secure these interests.

  The record of the C.I.A. 's operations for the past 60 years gives an idea of what the wealthy and powerful U.S.A. will do to stay on top of the heap. and I personally feel that the rank and file citizen of this nation has been victim more than victor of the Rich Man's Club. If there ever was a "trickle down" effect that benefitted working people then the obscenely wealthy have found the leaks and plugged them up.
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  Lurker no more

  by DaleRivers in

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  hi folks:.

  i've been lurking here all summer and i finally decided to take the plunge and join you all.. i'm a single, 53 y/o black woman living in the nyc metro area (usa).

  i was brought up around jws:mom's mom, mom and my favorite auntie were all in.

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  humbled

  I was in my late 50's when I figured out I wasn' livin the life--I was livin the lie.

  So glad to have you here.

  Maeve
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  my first post! (long read sorry in advance)

  by Letts Party in

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  2. beliefs

  long time lurker, first time poster here finally looking to get some things off my chest.

  i've always been a very curious person with tons of questions about everything, and i also care deeply particularly about societal issues like social injustice, racism, and homophobia.

  that, coupled with how boneheaded all the elders in my congregation are (except for one), led me to ask even more questions that led me to find ttatt.. .

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  humbled

  Welcome, Letts Party! Sounds like a fairly clear road ahead--compared to some who learned TTATT.

  It's good to hear your wife seems to think. Very happy for you both.

  Maeve
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

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  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  humbled

  I appreciate the poetry and the universality of your sentiments, kassad84.

  It may be pleasant to frame God in this way and feel certain that He will certainly include every suffering soul in the great after-show party, but you have to step out of the orthodoxy of scriptural readings to do it. Many other lofty-minded Christians make remarks such as yours that blythely include the unsaved in eventual happy here-afters. But Classic Christianity does not place the unfaithful/unbelievers in the same heavenly healing station as you describe.

  But I am far from complaining-- I am glad to find you so ready to resolve the clear problems in the bible's story of God's power and love.

  You see, I too am hopefully inventive. I similarly subscribe to the possibility of a generous spirit or force who promotes love and patches us up from time to time -- but my invisible force is vastly underpowered compared to the need we face on earth. But see here, I don't at all believe a great powerful God had to wrap himself in a man's hide to play at suffering to save us. This is a part of the story you kept, but i don't understand why.

  Rather my thoughts run thus:

  I believe there was a man, who really was just a man. Just a man wrapped in a man's skin. He was a born-in Jew and he was as sad at God's poor showing as I am. He thought about it as he worked hard making rough furniture and farm implements. He tried hard to fit a kinder version of that God into his religion--much as you and I are doing. He also felt sad for others of the working folk who trafficked around his place. He could see that religion didn't lighten their load either . So he taught simple lessons of how to be loving and enjoy life without religious rules choking your every thought and every action. His betters didn't like the stir he caused. They put a stop to his talk.

  So he suffered and died but left a good example of kindness such as: Share with strangers; women needn't fuss too much about kitchen chores and that fish fries are a good thing for a fellow to do for his friends. As well as other more trenchant teachings....

  Thus, we too can follow a spirit of love and enjoy life without holding to un-proven stories that would in turn choke our every action. It works very well for the here-and-now, by the way.

  But you think it is fine that all-powerful and all-loving God will show his love later on.

  Sorry to say that it is a thin story for me to tell the ones whose pain and loss never find a boundary.

  Not to sound flippant, but I really think that my story is as good as yours. And I have as much ground to say it has value equal to yours. Because think, kassad84, once you violate the stream of scripture (rejecting unpleasant parts) and promote personal variations--as you did with your idea of universal salvation--then you haven't a leg to stand on for saying you have faith and I do not. And we can equally be fools--only I have a story I not only find more credible than yours but it cann't disappoint me. And it's value is possibly more practical than yours.

  The God of the bible is a no-show at present--and you are teetering on a thin edge regarding orthodoxy.