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  Despicable crazy people

  by jgnat in

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  there are some mental illnesses which come with the potential for extreme violence.

  i'm not talking the sociopath here who kills without remorse, but those mentally ill people while in the throes of their delusions who are driven to kill.

  the outcomes can be horrific.. on december 6, 1989, a lone gunman gunned down fourteen women at a montreal college.

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  humbled

  can you explain the difference to me?
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  Despicable crazy people

  by jgnat in

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  there are some mental illnesses which come with the potential for extreme violence.

  i'm not talking the sociopath here who kills without remorse, but those mentally ill people while in the throes of their delusions who are driven to kill.

  the outcomes can be horrific.. on december 6, 1989, a lone gunman gunned down fourteen women at a montreal college.

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  Luhe,

  The mental illness of an entire community comes about through the enforcement of social practices. Of all people, ex-JWs should know this without having any other expert testimony.

  Shunning that is required by that community has varied effects that this forum has documented for years. The "two witness rule" has been shown to protect the sexual predators and effectively "honor kills" the victims. The elevation of a small group of men as the ultimate arbiters of our spiritual life results in the destruction of our ability to reason and act with any authenticity. Fear =mental illness

  Where female genital mutilation is practiced--this is an enforced social practice that reuires a kind of group complicity to support it. Is it healthy just because everyone does it? Fear forces everyone in the community to go along with it even if they think it is wrong. This creates a sick society.

  It is only recently that some of the richest oil countries have come into the modern era. These lands and peoples are largely Muslim-right? If we listen to some of the voices of Muslim people (women especially) we hear them say that some of the practices are very much rooted in old tribal social practice--some of the very disturbing practices we read of in the OT. Bloody, mysogynistic, patriarchal, exclusive. Fear=mental illness

  It has been pointed out by other posters in these thread on Islam that the problem with Islam is that you cannot leave it without being killed. Yet in the places where human rights have an established value, Muslims who are faithful and informed live with happily with non-muslims.

  It looks to me that Islam has only recently come forward from the Old Testament grounds. I do not need to repeat the views we on this board have of this period of human history: these social practices that may have been common for that time and place produce negative values on human lives and human rights--mental illness-- in the communities we want today.
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  Despicable crazy people

  by jgnat in

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  there are some mental illnesses which come with the potential for extreme violence.

  i'm not talking the sociopath here who kills without remorse, but those mentally ill people while in the throes of their delusions who are driven to kill.

  the outcomes can be horrific.. on december 6, 1989, a lone gunman gunned down fourteen women at a montreal college.

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  humbled

  The example of the Oklahoma fellow Nolen doesn't work as an example of the devoutly religious cutting off heads of un-believers. He was arrested before for assaulting a policeman for not having proper lights on his car, arrested later for cocaine use and intent to sell. converted to islam in prison. He read the quran there? who knows. He is said to have hated white people and been fascinated with beheadings in the news. Probably mental.

  All the rest as in that link to the woman stoned to death--yes religiously mentally ill and uninformed--Christianity was like that for centuries too--the rack and burning at the stake and the murder of christian sects. Took some brave souls to go against that tide.

  Bartolame de las Casas, you brought him up yourself, Simon--went against the tide. And Columbus was a Christian, too. He went with the haters.

  Education and humanity can overthrow the darkness... Communities can be the places we learn to be sick.(edited: We have to make them where you can get well. too.)

  checking out for now, good night.
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  Despicable crazy people

  by jgnat in

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  there are some mental illnesses which come with the potential for extreme violence.

  i'm not talking the sociopath here who kills without remorse, but those mentally ill people while in the throes of their delusions who are driven to kill.

  the outcomes can be horrific.. on december 6, 1989, a lone gunman gunned down fourteen women at a montreal college.

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  Agreed,I don't think that isolated mental illness within the muslim community is what gives rise to Isis. It does seem to me that entire communities do become mentally ill, however. What else is it when the Quran allows for forgiveness of an adultery, there is no mercy. Only consistent killing. When there can be forgiveness there are beheadings. These are community mental health problems.

  The OT Jews had it no different than the most blighted of these Islamic societies.

  I wonder, though, if change will come about without the good and kind and brave--maybe the educated, too--step out as did the Indians to the British Occupiers as did the Black and the whites for civil rights face racist local communities and governments. Yes, step out NOT when it is safe. the child Malala did.

  Jews might have chosen mercy in the times told of in the questionable bible. But with or without the account being a fact--the woman taken in adultery could be a tale told in the muslim community-- No? Who will stand to say --allow for mercy? The holy writings of both allow for it--if people aren't collectively cowards or else collectively mentally ill.

  Point is this--can a community be brave enough to heal itself? Their own books holds the key--Education is in a lot of books. Including some of their holy writings.
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  Despicable crazy people

  by jgnat in

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  there are some mental illnesses which come with the potential for extreme violence.

  i'm not talking the sociopath here who kills without remorse, but those mentally ill people while in the throes of their delusions who are driven to kill.

  the outcomes can be horrific.. on december 6, 1989, a lone gunman gunned down fourteen women at a montreal college.

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  Simon,

  Rather than what you wrote above, you said:" ...this is your latest lame attempt..." Can't it sting a bit when one's efforts at discussion are cast in such a manner? It denigrates allJgnat's points as lame. That's kinda rough. And, even out-spoken you might concede that.

  But back to the topic.

  We need to grab the opportunity for discussing something in Jgnat's opening remarks:

  I think the issue is with poor identification and treatment of mental illness in this country.

  We do often close the barn door after the horses have already left inthat regard. When there is a violent current trending within a group, who will call it out?

  If we within a community are very clear and vocal about what is a healthy and good standard of behavior that will help.

  A little girl said it: Education.

  edited:Isn't education a weak point for many women in Muslim countries where violence is common? Any hard facts on this?
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  Despicable crazy people

  by jgnat in

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  there are some mental illnesses which come with the potential for extreme violence.

  i'm not talking the sociopath here who kills without remorse, but those mentally ill people while in the throes of their delusions who are driven to kill.

  the outcomes can be horrific.. on december 6, 1989, a lone gunman gunned down fourteen women at a montreal college.

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  humbled

  Jgnat,

  Simon lamely uses "lame" when he gets riled up. You have riled him--but he has used it before. Hang on this-- is a good thread. Threads dealing directly with Islam are insufficient in their scope--so this is a good way to get into the issues. But you know how hot it gets on a worthy thread.

  I think we need this thread to become a loom to handle the full cloth of discussion that the problem of how cruel/ weak human behavior is accomodated and managed in communities. The Islamic community has accomodated horrors much as the United States community for so long accomodated outrages against the children of slaves with scenes after church where families witnessed lynchings just as cofty mentioned in Saudi Arabia.

  a couple of things seems implied in the OP here: When does a behavior qualify as mental illness within a community? And what ways are there to censure it or uproot it from the minds of the community in which it lives.

  Buckle on your thickest brass neck, Jgnat. We need you.

  Maeve
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  And The Lame Shall Walk

  by metatron in

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  http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-paralysed-man-walks-again-after-breakthrough-spinal-treatment-2014-10.

  fantastic!

  patient had a severed spinal cord.

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  humbled

  This is beautiful. It's not a miracle--it is science. And it's available to all who have injured spines?
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  A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION to those on J.W.NET...

  by new hope and happiness in

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  what is important to you and why?.

  maybe i should begin with a few suggestions:-.

  love,.

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  humbled

  I love little children. And I love to remind adults of their innocence, joy and moments of childish optimism. And remind them that they should reclaim those traits. It is good to dig potatoes in the garden with a 4 year old.

  I think alot about what can I do when I meet someone who cannot remember such a moment in their childhood. Those people I like to teach how to make something wonderful in clay.

  I love the Golden Rule: Love your neighbor as yourself.

  I love to knit seemingly random information together and think about it--(It got me out of the Cult!)

  I love my children since they've grown up--and I love that they nail me on my faults and love me. I love that they feel secure enough in my love to do it-- I will not hurt them for it.

  I lov that I got out of the JWs before my life ended.

  I love finding that people--strangers, some of them--helped me when I was broke and had cancer.

  I love people.

  O, and I DO love beer. India Pale Ale--kinda hoppy on special occasions. But I usually end up with Millers High Life.

  In a pinch, anything will do.
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  A question for my friends in the USA about cowboys.

  by punkofnice in

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  as a kid growing up in the uk we used to play 'cowboys and indians' and watch high chaparal and bonanza along with other cowboy films.

  later, in the 70's kung fu would be shown with caine going through the 'old west'.

  we even had a chocolate bar that was marketed with a 'cowboy' theme...milky bar.. as far as i know the 'wild west' as shown on tvdidn't actually exist.. are there people that believe it did?.

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  Hoser,

  Lol! I thought you gave an amazingly insightful response to my weird post. I thought it was perfect--I am going to see a therapist too!

  I hope a good outcome for the two of us!

  Maeve
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  A question for my friends in the USA about cowboys.

  by punkofnice in

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  as a kid growing up in the uk we used to play 'cowboys and indians' and watch high chaparal and bonanza along with other cowboy films.

  later, in the 70's kung fu would be shown with caine going through the 'old west'.

  we even had a chocolate bar that was marketed with a 'cowboy' theme...milky bar.. as far as i know the 'wild west' as shown on tvdidn't actually exist.. are there people that believe it did?.

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  humbled

  My husband is 81 now but he cowboyed, rodeoed and broke horses (Mostly in Montana, some in Texas, one winter/spring in California from 1950 until 1955 or so. He broke his leg so badly in a horse accident that he could only return to his mother's house in Minneapolis, MN and wait for it to heal. He enrolled at the University of Minnesota and....did well. There he met and married his first wife. they followed an academic life together, but he got more and more away from teaching. More and more back to horses and cattle.

  Then he met me.

  We ended up doing a lot of things that had to do with cattle and horses--though I knew nothing about it. Most of which did not fit any classic old west version of cowboying. We lived in the Ozark mountains. But made a foray into Nebraska in a covered wagon in 1981. We had 9 horses and a mule, a crazy dog, a cat who bailed out in the first half mile out of the Kansas leg of the journey. And three children. One a nursing toddler--(No delicate baby food to be had. I could eat rough-anything and it always came out as milk.)

  My husband left Dec 1, 1980 alone in the wagon. He went for a couple weeks and got a job as night watchman in a stockyard at Parsons, KS. He sent for me and the three children we arived on a Greyhound bus after Christmas and lived in a shack by a river outside of town. Resumed the journey when the spring grass came in. Around May 1st. Arrived Maxwell Nebraska June 21, 1981. 43 days of actual road time for the 850 mile journey. We eventually had to return to Arkansas with a ridiculous number of goats and a milk cow, 5 bottle calves, cat (she stayed),and one more baby.

  Our checkered past. We did all kinds of stuff to live with his horses, on the land. Many times it was a mess. Often it was beautiful. Just Beautiful. Sometime, as time went on it became --at least for us-- impossible. Others do manage, we cared for others land and cattle, kept some ourselves--a motley lot of odd lots from the sale barn-- but now we make our living this way and that. for God's sake--he is 81 and been brokenup alot. I will not say this is normal. But we people do strange things, don't we?

  A book my husband Dick recommends for the life of the old time cowboy: A Texas Cowby: or, Fifteen years on the Hurricane Deck of a Spanish Pony by Charles Siringo. This fellow was born in 1855 and came of age in the golden age of the cowboy.

  If there were any way to post pictures, I would. I will see if my son can do it some time.

  Was I crazy? I became one of Jehovah's Witnesses, right? So there's no defense for me.