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  Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

  by Simon in

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  seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.

  it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.

  it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.

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  Thank you, hisclarkness.

  You hit every question l might have and then some.
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  Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

  by Simon in

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  seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.

  it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.

  it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.

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  I agree that this is a good outcome. They should not be required to essentially “bless” gay marriage. I wouldn’t want the bad mojo from those bakers anyway.

  To DoC’ s point to refuse service for perceived “color” : that must be condemned. It is beyond question that there are things we ARE BORN with. We are born to color and too bad if they believe that b—llsh-t about Hamm.

  Many people- especially those bound by archaic religious text -deny there are but two gender realities with which we are born. And this new world of fluid sexuality is still foreign to society. But the gap is disappearing as well it should on color.

  They damn well better decorate a cake for whatever colored couple walks through the door-unless they are gay.
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  UK justice..

  by zeb in

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  tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

  yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

  his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

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  Simon, thanks for your point by point reply. So far we agree. This may be uncomfortable to accept but the degrees of difference are negligible.

  The violent world of the twisted religious views is horrifying. The birth rates of immigrant Muslims is outpacing that of the “native” populations . Population pressure alone needs to be reckoned with!! And the multicultural model failed to see that it undermined assimilation. Yes, it makes the head spin. But we must try to sort it out. Or else we can let it heat up to a war where no body knows who to shoot at.

  l value Tommy ‘s work. His physical courage and mental toughness makes me admire him. But here is the question:

  what to do now? The masses behind Tommy need to know what to do more than be a twitter follower. Politics can begin in our own living rooms if we can avoid shouting each other down and alternatively learn to take a punch or to and go in for another round.

  I t beats hell out of going to war to my thinking.

  Political correctness didhinder investigations. —Luhe

  Prosecute the law breakers high and low, left and right, dark and light. No politics. And with small local forums of citizen have regular meetings. get local communities to talk about local needs. Invite politicians and or official to come. The networks of government must have that kind of capillary action to make any sense . It must happen Now. Tommy has taken this as far as one man can.

  edit: lf this thread were not so rich and relevant to my concerns in my-american-world then l would start a separate thread. We have the same complicated effect of government either overextended and/or corrupt in combination with citizen inaction and ignorance (where difficult problems are swept into prisons to fester and grow worse)

  In some measure l wish we could get Tommy to come over here.
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  UK justice..

  by zeb in

  1. social
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  tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

  yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

  his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

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  Zeb—l do hope the citizens of the U.K. have given attention to Tommy. These related conversations? Maybe think of them as the talk of relatives in the foyer waiting for news of a child in the operating theater of a hospital discussing the accident that sent the child to surgery. Some say the authorities are to blame some say the child was reckless —and they may all be right , all have a point.

  As an American l see vast problems mounting and cycling into growing storms. Elements of the present U.K. social conundrums playing out in in my State-my country. I sometimes resent that government doesn’t take better care of things.. but then l remember that l am supposed to be somewhat involved in that governance. that is when l see what a mess this is when there is not regular “housekeeping” of the accretions of a growing diverse population.

  Thanks, zeb, for letting us chat in the foyer while Tommy gets help.

  the Metropolitan police say that child sexual exploitation isn't specific to an ethnic or religious group. What is specific is the age of the perps - late teens and early twenties and these perps practice exploitation across the board in all parts of the UK.-Ruby

  I am glad you remind us of this. Certainly earlier in the thread I mentioned the groups of men in the US who used the internet page Backspace to prostitute girls. And l know as you do that there were others implicated— you mentioned procuring the kids for MPs. With the money involved l could see it too. They have been prosecuted at last. But that is a little part of it.

  It is not surprising that a backward Muslim subset of Pakistani background (where girl children have a very hard road) of the UK community known for misogynistic behavior toward women would have been involved in trafficking girls in the U.K. l posted on that.

  JaniceA earlier insisted that e remember how children, girls particularly are not protected from sexual abuse.

  Ruby, we all are subject , are sensitive to having facts spun to manipulate us. I have appreciated how invested you are in getting a larger understanding of matters. But for some the evidence of what we see on the ground, in our neighborhoods is compelling and we know it is part of the picture. We need that it be recognized as part of the problem.

  What is going on in the UK and Europe with floods of immigrants and the problem of radical Islam is considerable. The people to be careful of in this turmoil are people with an agenda—definitely there are far right agitators and there definitely are Muslim radicals. But there are also politicians and global businesses. And laziness and fear.

  How to craft laws and goodwill to Co-exist? We have to look closely at it all and listen to each other.

  Because...we are in some measure the government.

  And when government seems to have looked away from trouble a-brewing..,So Tommy Rises.
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  UK justice..

  by zeb in

  1. social
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  tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

  yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

  his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

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  Simon,

  Muslims raised under sharia law have a harder time than JWs just “walking away” from lslam. That’s the problem. Especially for women.

  Edit: besides- some did just “walk away”— and now they are in the UK. and other western countries trying to be normal,

  Most of the talk is not fussing about how to avoid offending “normal Muslims” (Though allies in fighting extremism are welcome from all quarters. )Moderate Muslims very much want to have western law and order.

  Posts on the OP voiced concern over the justice of Tommy Robinson’s arrest and worries about his safety in custody. Naturally the issues Tommy raises are discussed. The disorders and likelihood of fighting mobs are multiplying for lack of moral courage in authorities.There is confusion and ignorance as to what Islam is and isn’t.

  People need support to walk away from a high control religion. You of all people should know that. You created this board for JWs who were simply thinking, or thinking about leaving- or folks who had left but had no one who understood.

  Hey, Simon, how about you set up "Mohammedans-dot-net"?
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  UK justice..

  by zeb in

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  tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

  yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

  his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

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  Glad to have that Maajid /Tommy radio exchange .

  I do not hold Tommy’s past actions against him. ( l was a JW for 22 years of my adult life after all)

  But NOW where is he heading with the masses he is collecting?. Maajid seems to want the change makers to unite or at least acknowledge shared goals, shared views.
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  UK justice..

  by zeb in

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  tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

  yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

  his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

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  https://youtu.be/_0raGfNJ86Q

  I finally found that interview.

  I would correct something you attributed to me. I did not say that time he hoped to be killed by extremist. He said that he hoped at one point that should he be killed by extremists it would trigger action.

  Perhaps you will think l am quibbling about this video but my concern is that he is perhaps too much a provocateur. His approach too unstable.

  And this is the killing Tommy was referring to:
  

  On the afternoon of 22 May 2013, a British Army soldier, Fusilier Lee Rigby of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, was attacked and killed by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale near the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, southeast London.
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  UK justice..

  by zeb in

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  tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

  yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

  his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

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  3M and Luhe- l have been pondering your posts as a combined content. Thoughtful. Will post after l get my work caught up.

  Ruby, you can see there are mixed feelings on Tommy for many of us. He has succeeded in this— definitely provoked conversation and perhaps action for those who do not want to leave him to do all the talking and all the (bad?) acting.
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  UK justice..

  by zeb in

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  tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

  yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

  his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

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  Maybe if we learned to stop radiating white guilt like a cheap Dimplex room heater we'd deal with crime properly. Instead we pussyfoot around ethnic criminals and in the process leave the door wide open for right-wing extremists to hijack events for their own ends.

  I did not checkout the particular features of a cheap Dimplex room heater before agreeing, snugglebunny.

  Criminal statutes must be defined so as to eliminate loopholes for religions. I think you said it well.

  That fellow Trevor Philips goes so far as to say we (l say this even being American as we are dealt my with aspects of the problems UK is facing)—we should be able to field some unpleasant verbal exchanges if it allows us to engage with reality. He is taking hits from the people from whom he sprang—liberals. My own antecedents tend left but do not roost comfortably there. Nor with the right.

  Something that worries me about Tommy is that he said in interview that he hoped at one point that should he be killed by extremists it would trigger action. But when he saw that the beheading of a man in the U.K. by a Muslim extremist did not generate any change he was in doubt as to the efficacy of his own murder helping his cause.

  This sort of thinking should not be writing the script for Britain’s future.
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  A ridiculous thing I found in the old young people’s book

  by Addison0998 in

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  it was in some book for young people that i found going through the watchtower library when i was doing research for old publications, i cannot believe this lunacy, i feel so bad for the teenagers at the time who had to try to take this seriously, but they’re not a high control religion or cult though, anyways here is is : .

  if you sleep in a room alone and you find that you seem to feel special stress in this direction at night, you may be able to arrange matters to share a room with another member of your family.

  also, you may find it helpful to sleep on your side rather than on your back or face down.. 18 another thing that may be helpful is to see to it that your clothing does not unnecessarily cause friction with the sexual organs.

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  Another thing that may be helpful is to see to it that your clothing does not unnecessarily cause friction with the sexual organs"

  Why the men wear the pants in the family?