Read something else , Simon. I am not at all talking about the f**king Crusades.
That is just a knee jerk answer . I shouldn’t waste my time posting
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tommy Robinson --update
by zeb inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.
this is self explanatory.
please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.
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Is There Life After Death
by Brokeback Watchtower ini think this is a well developed discussion, of ian stevenson's work in investigating people's past lives claims.
it's a little long.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0attm9hgcdw.
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Anyone watching the handmaids tail?
by blownaway ini thought this was all about the 18th century.
but its current or just post current times.
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Anyone watching the handmaid’s tail?
Yes, and I believe that has been quite a problem for handmaids from time immemorial.
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tommy Robinson --update
by zeb inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.
this is self explanatory.
please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.
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saying simply "all religion is bad" is superficial to the point of worthlessness. It brings nothing to the debate.
Clearly today, right now, a time that actually matters, some religions are worse than others. Going on about the bloody crusades doesn't change this.
I was specific in my comparison of religions, Luhe. I committed a lot of effort to be clear on that. And l absolutely am not even referring to the Crusades. That you name the Crusades suggests you are not at all familiar with the hideous killings done in England when even not believing in the transubstantiation could set you over a slow burning death. ( you know that the friends of the condemned would sometimes chip in to buy more wood so that the fire could burn the hotter to bring the end more quickly). How about that?
l maintain that that the Quran and the Old Testament in effect are the same. That is specific. I said in other posts that there are people who reject the ugly parts and see the good. I connect those individuals with the Yousefsai family. Especially when it was said that moderate Muslims would simply hold the legs of a victim the as an extreme Islamist beheads them.
We can't save victims of Christian zeal; we can't save all the Jews who died in Nazi concentration camps. We can only learn from history, not go back and change it.
I am not suggesting a time machine to undo the past. I say that we Christian-derived countries had to make laws to protect ourselves from our own violent religious past and now should discern that Islam is the OT come alive again. Predatory and intolerant with some within who are pleading for their lives. Brave people. In this way we reach back in time-truly we cannot info the horrors that our own ancestors witnessed.
Malala said she wants girls like herself not to be destined solely to serve a husband and bear multiple children. But if Muslim girls have not enough champions to save them from such a destiny they will be married off impregnated and their sons will burst the border over and over again. There must be strong measures that stop making it a religious war. That feeds the troll. Instead do as mr. Yousefsai did: name the enemy a violent patriarchy and fight all those elements. That worked with Christianity for the most part. We still have the religion. But it’s teeth and claws were filed down.
Education should be a priority and in Britain, British law for all.
Yes. We do agree, luhe.
I wish Tommy and Malala could meet - what have they fitted Malala up with? XD
I don’t get this. But something tells me l don’t want to .
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tommy Robinson --update
by zeb inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.
this is self explanatory.
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That violence was alive in the Christian doctrine wars for years, LUHE. We have to honor the people who are brave to call enough in the face of death to stand for love and education instead of hate and ignorance.
Desert goatherders is where the books of the Bible and Islam came from. As Bandicoot noted Malala’s father referred to the violent patriarchy that crushes girls and boys. Why pretend one religion was better than the other? ( yes. Islam is late to the game and we have rpg and oil tycoons) There were tender hearts that came from each tradition all mixed together. but the books have both love and hate. We have to feed the love.
Like a high class family that doesn’t (like to) acknowledge that they had murderers, horse thieves and prostitutes for grandparents, western countries derived from primarily Christian antecedents do not acknowledge their own bloody religious imperialism.
If religious violence is at the gates again then review the past fairly. If you could reach back and save from bloody murder the victims of Christian zeal, wouldn’t you?
Law, law law. Strong and fair. Education for all.
I wish Tommy and Malala could meet.
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tommy Robinson --update
by zeb inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.
this is self explanatory.
please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.
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Bandicoot— yes— I really did notice that he said “patriarchal society” and that is so important. because it made me think of the really horrid killing of nonbelievers and the vile treatment of women in Christian lands. How full of harshness and judgement—how much like the Old Testament did the New Testament become. Jesus killed twice so to speak.
Have you read the torturous killings over sectarian differences? The wholesale slaughters?
cofty had said somewhere that Islam is the slow child in the class. Later someone else remarked “ no, Islam is the bully”
lslam is the slow one. The little brother of Christianity.
Christianity couldn’t shake its violent beginnings. And now the Bronze Age monster is come again as Islam.
But we do have laws . And perhaps we do now have better hearts? Braver ones.
we will see.
I hope you read the very brief history of Christianity’s sectarian violence .
Yes, wasn't that beautiful, though-“I never clipped her wings”.
p.s. and there are so many more like Malala
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tommy Robinson --update
by zeb inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.
this is self explanatory.
please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.
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When asked by his followers how to differentiates between heretics and the ordinary public, Abbe Arnaud Amalric, head of the Cistercian monastic order, simply said "Kill them all, God will recognize his own!".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_among_Christians
O my god. There wasn’t time to write all the violent vile history of Christianity. But there is no comparison between Christianity and Islam. Christ sakes! Murders in England! Henry Vlll and his effing theocracy. What ignorance. Read people!
So we grew up did we? Everything but our balls. What about the the Muslims who don’t want sharia law . F**k’em?Tuff luck for them ? they were born in lands of violent religious patriarchy? We westerners grew out of ours, huh? Made laws to protect us from ourselves”
many Muslims in the West are well down this road.—Abaddon
The moderates are irrelevant Freddo, Though they are the majority, they don't apply pressure for change. It has been said that the moderates are the ones that hold your legs while the radicals saw your head off—resolute bandicoot
Christians were the brutes in the beginning-/no different from Muslims . Why be cowards and not recognize the bravery of others— Muslims?
Asked: how did you train your daughter to be so brave? See what he said.
LUHE:Your intellectual dishonesty and c**tishness know no bounds.
BTW, if you don't like the West, feel free to fuck off and try your luck living elsewhere ...what happened to your “Love not hate”?and call him a prick if you like . Also,I am sick of the word “cunt” being thrown in.
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That has lifted me ever since someone told me at the market. It lets us be happy all together!
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tommy Robinson --update
by zeb inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.
this is self explanatory.
please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.
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In the spirit of honesty l see that Abaddon is reading and responding fairly, adjusting some points and holding better defined ground. I agree with his last post but for one part.
Tommy Robinson’s behavior must be given consideration as much as any young working class Muslim who is concerned by the crude prejudices toward himself by the likes of ...the EDL. The authorities have been weak in addressing problems in the immigrant and poor working class neighborhoods. Tommy’s tactics and his want of any overarching strategy may be deplored but they are understandable. In a sense we are reduced to arguing about Tommy’s soul or motivation.
There isn’t anything more l personally can say about Tommy. He must be protected in custody though.
I am not in the U K. so my comments might seem impertinent . But only weeks ago the US had its immigrants-at-the-border-children-taken drama. The board jsuffered through the word welter that triggered. And we have Race threads that generally have to do with legacies of slavery culture.
l suggest a better way to approach solutions these problems is not head on- but SIDEWAYS.
Here is a Pakistani man. A Muslim. His story is how to effect change in a culture that crushes human rights.
I apologize if this link and my comments seems irrelevant. But sometimes the point of a discussion isn’t fully realized in the OP Sometimes the thread develops branches that need a chance to grow. Later they might find a thread of their own but...just saying...think about the link above if you like.
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tommy Robinson --update
by zeb inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.
this is self explanatory.
please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.
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There is a division within Islam that is deepening. You are emphasising one side of the divide and ignoring the other.—cofty
Abandon-This is too important to a point not to be addressed.
You can see from your own post on the darkness of Christianity. There was the 30 Years War that should inform us of the terror of religious divides and their existence. Read Fox’s Book of Martyrs. It will give a person the creeps.
Muslims acknowledge a divide. There is Wahhabism and salafists. The Sunnis and Shias.
I believe standards of behavior—LAW—can shape our communities. But there are many sympathetic to the troubles within Muslim communities who know that education and focused efforts to assistance assimilation must come.
Attention is needed to avoid violence .
(A little off topic are the gangs that are growing in American cities. There are similarities in the multiple ways that must be enacted to deal with this human problem. We have tried to incarcerate our way out of it and it isn’t working.)