Yes, it's often this way. One eventually gets the idea that the beliefs don't really even matter.
humbled
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Even elders don’t know their beliefs
by Addison0998 ini had a deep conversation with my elder father today about the bible.
first i talked to him about luke 16:19-31. the one where jesus makes this crazy illustration regarding the afterlife.
of course he had to look it up on the watchtower library to be spoon fed his beliefs.
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Borg nearly apologies child abuse victims in Finland
by Festus inthe attached picture is historical.
the man on left is ari hakkarainen, representative of jw in finland.
the woman in middle is reporter susanna päivärinta and the lady at right is josefina pakomaa who was abused by family friend - a jw - when she was 11. a vicious apostate today.
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That guy, Ari, is probably on the way out...l definitely want to watch what happens to him.
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Posters You Miss
by minimus inanyone that you miss from this site, dead or alive??.
i miss farkel, blondie and a host of others!.
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I just read his profile, Simon. Really fine.
l feel a twinge if guilt when l think of how changes we go through can separate us. Tec for instance, Tammy—I left the fundamentalist mindset and l she left the board after that Epic Thread on Theism and Suffering.
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Posters You Miss
by minimus inanyone that you miss from this site, dead or alive??.
i miss farkel, blondie and a host of others!.
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When l looked back a while ago to see how far back somebody or other posted l also saw conversations that were different...
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Active witnesses? Please help?
by Ahava inhi,i'm lost and a little sad.
i actually like the jw faith.
some might call this faith cold, strict, dogmatic but they're just trying to follow rules and give back to god.
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Go on, zeb.
Tell us.
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Posters You Miss
by minimus inanyone that you miss from this site, dead or alive??.
i miss farkel, blondie and a host of others!.
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Do you want to play with bears? You are now qualified for baptism!
by neat blue dog inat today's wt study about child baptism, someone commented and she pointed to the picture of the little girl playing with her teddy bear.
she said, 'she may be looking at her bear and thinking about getting to play with bears in the new system.
her parents notice this, and they decide since it's real to her she may be ready for baptism.
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BINGO, Steve!
There are child baptisms in other religions - including of infants. The monumental difference with this religion is the "consequences" of the baptism follow the child well into adolescence and adulthood and provide the basis for being disfellowshipped.
JW‘s used to say that they were not like the Catholic Church in infant baptism. But that’s not true.
In the early 80s I was attending a Catholic Church in Nebraska. A priest where l attended mass said the church would nullify a marriage between young children as they were incapable of giving informed consent to the range of responsibilities that marriage vow required. I asked if on that basis they could rescind my infant baptism. ( l was refused communion for reasons not pertinent here)
...crickets
But to Steve’s point— Though l was effectively “disfellowshipped” from the Church still l could talk to anyone who wanted to talk to me. At the time it bothered me that l was barred from communion. But the JWconsequences of too-young baptism—as Steve says—a crushing lifetime effect far worse than that of the Catholic Church-and no way out of it.
But think of it: why shouldn’t a person be able to go through a tribunal similar to the Catholic Church’s Marriage Tribunal to nullify a too-young baptism?
— could even charge money for it ( the Church did back then. Processing fees— of course) Exed JWs could buy out of shunning! !!
Maybe l will write the GB a letter.....
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Quick hello and recent baby pic.
by Darkknight757 injust wanted to say a quick hello.
this was a pic yesterday on nurses week at henry ford with one of izabella’s primaries.
the first pic was at her nicu graduation.
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It seemed that you would know these things. And so you do! I just had to ask.
Things will go well . She will thrive.
This has been such a long hard go for you all. But that skin to skin—there is nothing like it. Everything becomes s comfort-even the smells.( One of my kids talked about it .. )
Take care.
Maeve
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Quick hello and recent baby pic.
by Darkknight757 injust wanted to say a quick hello.
this was a pic yesterday on nurses week at henry ford with one of izabella’s primaries.
the first pic was at her nicu graduation.
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Darkknight: if you don’t mind me asking about the failure to thrive— have you had people recommend to you using a carry cloth? Of course there are a lot of things that are available to tie a baby on to yourself but I always had a simple light length of Cotton cloth which l used for five of my children. It was incredibly versatile. There was a lot of work that I had to do everywhere -inside and out of the house. And the babies did extraordinarily well in this arrangement. They have constant contact with your body and you with theirs. Forgive me if you already know about this real boon to baby’s security and your own freedom.. l just had to mention it.
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Interview with an Apostate : humbled : not-a-captive
by humbled intell us a little about yourself and your family.. born in 1952 second oldest of the family of nine children.
as you see, my family was thoroughly catholic.
dad was in the army.. were you a born in or a convert?.
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Baldeagle— l missed your early post. I appreciate you saying hello. I be waiting to know you too.
Lois— you are always a wide open friend. Yes - we walked out. Best thing ever. I hope you are doing well out in the cooler part of the country. You know the hot summer has arrived here!
longhairgal-thanks for stopping by. Do you have a back story out? Yes there were such burdens. I had friends “in” who helped me and l in turn would help others as l was able. It was uneven and not easily attributed to the WTS. The individuals were kind and giving were driven from within -/not without But the press from “management” made everything so hard. So hard.
Sylvia- l read your story you know. The times we lived in —so much l share and yet l know that there were things l did not have to face because of my color. You seem to have a valve of some sort that lets certain stuff in and some things out have balance. You know l love you.
Dagney—thanks for reading my apostate interview lol.l had fun reading yours. This interval of sharing life stories has been a good thing, hasn’t it?
Writing Bethel finally just had to happen. As time goes on l suspect it was me having to process the incoherence of the literature. I wrote and researched as well as l could, stood ready to have the light shine on a better understanding but l knew l was standing on good ground by the time l sent my packet in.
Spoons? I make truly fine spoons. Message me if you’d like me to send pictures of some etc.
cofty- Thank you, dear Scotsman, for reading my spotty story. If you ever had done any such autobio, l missed it.
I recommend this format if you ever feel like stepping out into the uncertain world of subjectivity and personal revelation. We might feel it a risky exercise but the format does help limit the self-damage that arises from filling a blank page( though some of us are beyond saving)
At any rate, l have always valued your remarks from far away Scotland-even when they tick me off. l always wish you and yours the very best.