Cool:
Bio. Age: 32
Real Age: 12.9 (I've always said I'm mentally a 12-yr old)
Avg Life Expectancy: 74
Mine: 93.1
I gots 22300 days. I want more...so I can spend more time on JWD. lol...jk
Erandir
erandir
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want to know when your life is over? take the test
by worldtraveller inhttp://www.poodwaddle.com/realage.swf good luck.
i god 94 years total.
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Jesus is the answer!
by startingover ini hope it worked.
my intent with the title of this thread was to attract both believers and non-believers.
whenever a thread appears promoting the wonders of jesus, it will inevitably develop into a back and forth discussion ad nauseam.. i was born into a family that believed there was a god, he had a son jesus and his word was the bible.
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erandir
Jesus is the answer? What was the question?
I hope it worked. My intent with the title of this thread was to attract both believers and non-believers.
Naw, I just came to leave a smart-alec comment.
But seriously, reading comments on this forum has probably influenced me towards non-belief if anything. I'm seeing things in a much larger context than I used to. I was raised Pentecostal. Then I had a brief spell of disillusionment followed by almost becoming an athiest. Then I converted to JW-dom as a kind of "last resort" only to finally see what the truth about the "truth" really was a few years later. Now I'm heading toward a comfortable "I don't really care what I believe at this point as long as I live well, contribute to others' happiness, and do no harm to anyone" mindset. The existance of God is taking a back seat at the moment while I explore subjects such as psychology, non-western religious worldviews, and my own deep inner musings.
Hope that contribution helps your curiosity.
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Photoshop these blanked WT & AW covers for Fun with Covers 8
by Wasanelder Once inhere they are:.
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Cramming Our Religion Down Your Throat--On a Worldwide Scale!
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Photoshop these blanked WT & AW covers for Fun with Covers 8
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erandir
Oh wow...you guys are all so funny!
Here's mine:
Mommy? What's a Gag Order?
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erandir
Thanks, Justicia, for taking the time and effort to write this up! It is greatly appreciated!
Just a few comments on this nauseatingly conducted part:
so it doesn’t sound like some upbeat thing where they all get together to tell wonderful things to one another, but it sounds on the critical side of things, so we need to beware.
So he is saying everyone needs to beware critical thinking. Not a good sign.
Very good, point, that it a key point, it is independent study.
So independent study is also deemed bad although in the past independent study was good, even using extra-societal publications such as Strong's Bible Commentary and such.
They don’t stop there, they have all these conferences and they produce publications to produce their findings. To supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings by our literature. That’s a dangerous thing.
What conferences? Which publications? And supplementing the society's literature is dangerous? What is dangerous is narrowing one's mind to a pin point and following the society's "lead" to the letter. They want us to put our brain on a shelf and replace our thinking ability with the collective brain of the 12 GB members and their lackeys!
I couldn’t imaging how much time it would take to produce literature or hold a conference and conduct these study groups, all independent of our meetings and reading the publications the magazines and everything else that we have.
Yeah, right...that elder is implying that he spends all his time studying the society's literature and studying for all the meetings and has no time for anything else like "worldly" entertainment, hobbies, or any of the slew of other stuff the society says from which to buy out the opportune time for bible study and reading.
1 Cor. 1: 10, so we can be fitly united in the same mind and the same line of thought.
Here it is in the bible, the scripture they use to justify the brainwashing of the JW's.
it’s verging on sectarianism and not, definitely not keeping in mind with that united thought at all.
So basically our choice if we want to be considered good witnesses is either to be assimilated or to retain our measure of independent, critical thinking.
And, the faithful slave is working under the direction of Jehovah holy spirit, and his word, so we don’t need anything else, because Jehovah guides those faithful anointed ones through his spirit and his word they give all of us the spiritual food
Yay...a fine example of circular logic. The FDS is backed by God and the bible, and God and the bible say not to research the validity of what the FDS says, so therefore what the FDS says is valid.
if some says that they are trying to research what the fds has, then they are saying the want to go beyond what the fds has to teach. Well the Bible only speaks of one slave, A faithful slave. Not a whole bunch of them.
But it is so amazingly refreshing to prove someone to be a liar, isn't it? I mean, that is what they have taught us that Jehovah wants us to do with Satan. So now we want to turn the tables and prove the FDS a liar, and they can't handle it. It's not going beyond so much as it is exposing the FDS to the benefit of its duped followers.
It’s not only what they dispense, it’s the time. They do it in a timely manner, so brothers and sisters doing research on their own may stumble on something they think needs to be revealed right now, or maybe we have heard someone say, “You know, I knew that was going to come out someday,” well, now is the time, it wasn’t the time 10 years ago, and we see that over and over again. If we look at the history even in the last century how things were revealed slowly, even the book of Ezekiel about the spiritual temple, all that revealing throughout the 60s and 70s, it was all done in a timely manner, and in a way that we could benefit.
Oh boy...where to begin? This one is a gem of selective memory. All I have to say is "new light." There are plenty of examples on this board and other sites that expose the WTS and its highly fallible and inept nature of revealing what we need to know at the proper time.
If a professor in college revealed things to his students with the accuracy and "timeliness" of the WTS, that professor would be fired and the students would want refunds for that class.
It just doesn’t get any clearer than that! It like Jehovah knew this situation was going to come up, and he saw fit to have it written for us, so that we would know, so that we would not be doing research on our own, causing questions, rather than what is dispensed by him.
What about the Bereans? Is that scripture concerning them not written for the totally opposite viewpoint? What a crock of stupidity, sister! Oops, I guess I'm causing a few questions with this thought...I better stifle that!
the brothers have always been honest, and have always made corrections when necessary.
Um...the first example that comes to mind to refute this false statement is their involvement with the UN to be an NGO. Is hiding the fact and not issuing an apology an example of honesty and making corrections when necessary?
And we should avoid fights over the law. I know that because I’m a referee with attorneys, and boy they are the most arrogant and difficult foolish p people I have ever met. But, they are not all like that. Some of them are kind of nice, but I keep them in line, and I threaten them now and then and it kind of helps them to stay on their arguments.
What does this have to do with anything? But, also, it sounds like she is making an analogy of the witnesses as a whole. She is playing the part of the FDS, threatening them. The attorneys represent the witnesses.
It kind of reminds me of how the Pharisees were, when Jehovah gave a simple law about washing your hands, and they would take it so much farther, like how far up the elbows you had to wash, and they could debate and debate and debate, and when we think about some of these questionings that even we could come up with, rather than being up building, they could actually defeat that purpose. They could end up bringing us down, and they could really disturb some who may not get the full understanding of what is being said.
Ah, so he is saying the ones questioning are like Pharisees. How ironic that he has it all wrong. The ones stifling the questioning are the Pharisaic ones. The authors of the Watchtower and Awake are like the Pharisees, adding all their minutia of rules and regulations to the bible. All justified of course, because they have God's backing and his holy spirit and the bible...especially that little scripture where God is a God of order. They like to use that one to justify all the rules of the organization. Theocratic order, you know.
It made me think about somebody who has taken up Greek and so on has way too much time on their hands, so if we think about the things we can learn out of the Insight book and the volumes and if you want to go back father, you can go back to the Aid book, and to all the IS book, and things like that. Certainly there is a wealth of information. Very few of us run out of spiritual information, and very few of us run out of spiritual reading material and that’s where the true benefit really is.
Wow...what a kick in the teeth to any form of higher learning. So they are basically saying that learning Greek is worthless. One has too much time on their hands if they took the time to learn Greek. What ignorance!
Also, I'm not sure the Society would like its members digging back deep into the older publications like the Aid book or anything earlier. That would open a can of worms. This brother might be convertly pointing out to everyone that sure, the society doesn't want us looking outside the religion to prove it is wrong, so look into its own publications. There is more than enough written which will prove the Society to be false prophets.
I was thinking that we can appreciate that the fds keeps us focused, basically on preaching the Kingdom and what we need to keep our faith built to keep FOCUSED, FOCUSED, FOCUSED. And these things, perhaps they started off with good intent, hey let’s get together and do some Bible research, but then they have gone off on tangents. And you can see how they have gotten off course and not focused. The fds keeps us focused.
BRAINWASHED BRAINWASHED BRAINWASHED
So, when will they start having the Two Minutes Hate added to the 5 weekly meetings?
Another thing that is interesting when these groups get together, they spend the time to learn Greek so that they can test and so whether or not the society has done something right. Their motivation is wrong. They are not moving ahead, they are stumbled somehow. They think they can do it better. So those people that think they can do it better; those are the people you should stay away from.
Translation: "Yes, those with enough ambition to crawl out of the slop, muck, and mire...these are the ones you should avoid. You need to stay down here in the filth with the rest of us, ignorantly selling magazines for the motherlike organization. "
Please [insert Diety or Higher Power or Flying Spaghetti Monster here], help my wife see this cult for what it is and leave it!
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We just moved house...
by winnie in...and now live (joy of joys!
) next door to local elder, who just happens to be my husbands sisters father-in-law!
(and was one of the 3 on commitee for our voluntary dissassociation).. this will now make life interesting.. already they refuse to come out the front yard, and if we 'happen' to go out front when they are there, they run inside!
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LMAO, Time to get some really loud wind chimes and a whole bunch of demonic looking lawn gnomes.
LOL...that is hilarious. I didn't know witnesses had anything against wind chimes. We've had 2 sets for years. One near each door. Oh well. If anyone said anything about it, I'd just mention that it's about as ridiculous as banning wedding rings. Same level of pagan influence. Then I'd say "What, we don't ban wedding rings? Huh. How 'bout that." And then look thoughtfully at the wind chime and shrug it off.
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Encounter with JW neighbours # 2
by winnie inas i posted in a previous thread, we moved about 5 weeks ago into a house next door to a local elders family (who also happen to be related to us through marriage).. the elders wife (i'll call her mrs m), decided to weed her garden when we went out this morning.
but we were only gone for 20 minutes.
to weed a part of her garden, she has to come into our front yard to reach it, which she was doing when we came home.
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ah...nevermind about the "don't test me" thing. I just read your first topic about your neighbors.
She's still rude, though.
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Encounter with JW neighbours # 2
by winnie inas i posted in a previous thread, we moved about 5 weeks ago into a house next door to a local elders family (who also happen to be related to us through marriage).. the elders wife (i'll call her mrs m), decided to weed her garden when we went out this morning.
but we were only gone for 20 minutes.
to weed a part of her garden, she has to come into our front yard to reach it, which she was doing when we came home.
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"Don't test me"
Um...I'm with you when you say WTF?
What does that even mean? Why would she say that?
How rude!
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What kinds of fading techniques have you used?
by ldrnomo insome of you may have seen my post in jedi masters topic but if you haven't i will re-post it here:.
i'm new to the site, my wife and i are are doing the fade we still have a son and daughter-in-law who are still in so we don't want to get hung.
i was an elder for 25 years and was removed because i didn't agree with the gb on an important issue and spoke privately and with trust to another elder who broke that trust and told the other elders and co about my disagreement.
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I commend you both for your methods. You sound like the kind of friends my wife and I would be drawn to. You're living the love and not trying to impress others with numbers.
Well...what kind of fading techniques have I used?
I had employment and financial problems, so when I finally got a good job again, and it was night shift, and I was missing all the meetings during the week because of it, no one could say anything.
Also, combine that with depression probably due to the employment/financial problems and my growing unease at being a witness, and no one pressed the issue with me when I started missing Sunday, too, and when I became inactive.
The third facet of my fade involved informing a couple elders during a shepherding call about the questionable ways of a couple of the elders and other brothers, i.e., being "stumbled" and then making it known over the next few months that we are visiting other nearby halls to take a break from our own.
All three things happened together over the period of 6 months about 2 years ago.
So far, I've been away from our hall completely for about 1 and a half years. I missed the memorial and 2 consecutive assemblies and the district convention. No elder has said a word, called, stopped by, or anything. I only hear good things from various ones at the hall relayed through my wife, such as "say Hi to your husband and tell him we miss him." She is more than willing to field any questions that any elder may have and has told one in the past not to call, that I don't wish to talk about anything.
So my fade involved the above three things combined with a wife that plays defense for me. Also, it helps to have the support of others in a similar situation. We have had discussions with two other families who have left our home congregation and shared stories. And then there is JWD, an integral part of a successful fade.
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Wife went to bed in tears again. Sept KM this time. Her response..
by oompa inok, slowly awakening and fading at the same time for two years now, and did not plan it.
i tell my wife last night i have been having some interesting e-mails with my dad about the qb from the sept km we are to study this week.
she says she has read it, but does not remember it.
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erandir
Sounds like she is grasping at straws, so to speak. My wife sees it my way concerning this article in that the GB is contradicting the bible's example of the Bereans and other scriptures along those lines. It helps that she has a close friend who also feels that this article is questionable. I can't wait for her to attend this Thursday to see how it goes down at the hall.
She still is trying to meet it all with a "wait on Jehovah" attitude.
One good thing, though, is that she can't stand being around the "super-dubs" at the hall.
I wish you luck with your wife. Be sure to introduce her to the idea of circular logic. For example, the bible is inspired and beneficial and trustworthy because it says so in the bible. Or, the FDS is trustworthy and gives us all the research we need because they say so and they are trustworthy.
