Posts by DeusMauzzim

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Any Cops on this Forum? List of Professions. What's payin' the bills?

by NotaNess in

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just a general question, that's all.. how about:.

firefighters / doctors / plumbers / lawyers / teachers / electricians / students / bartenders / accountants / landscapers / computer techs / fast food workers / military personel / janitors / office administrators / telemarketers / graphic designers / artists / pest control techs / pizza drivers / bar backs / bartenders / waiter/waitresses / managers / carpet cleaners / painters / car detailers / investors.....etc, etc, etc...my fingers are out of breathe!.

--and who's retired???.

DeusMauzzim

A student, and a teaching assistant at a university.
-K

Idem! And love it

- Deus Mauzzim

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greetings fellow apostates!

by SethMo in

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i should introduce myself, since this is my first post.

i'm actually not an ex-jw, but rather someone who has just lost his faith in a different church, the mormon church.

i've long suspected that in terms of the organizational aspects of our two churches, how they hook you mentally, how they condition you, how they socialize you and make it very hard to leave, from an abstract level there's really not a dime's worth of difference.

DeusMauzzim

Dear SethMo,

Very interesting post. I too posted on a ex-Mormon board once because I felt we had so much in common with you. There was a list of abbreviations there which said that "Morg" stood for the LDS Church in Mormon Apostate language, per analogy of "Borg". And the funny thing is, we JW Apostates use "Borg" for the Watchtower as well hehe.

and now, rather than being "special" people, blessed with an honor most people in the world didn't enjoy (membership in God's one true church), we're all just human beings, trying to figure things out and make the most of our lives.

I can totally relate. No one higher TRUTH, and it is so liberating :)

Evolution and the Flood were my little cracks in the faith as well btw.

Enjoy the board!

- Deus Mauzzim

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New Watchtower Jan,15 2008

by Batty in

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2192/1543592646_fecb073ad7.jpg

DeusMauzzim

Thanks for posting this!

Hmm.. first impression... imposing?

Cheers,

Deus Mauzzim

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Folks that are in/still in the "bloom of youth"

by XOCO in

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i'm kind of learning the ropes here i just wanted to see if they are any young people and what i mean is from teen to 20ish.

no offense to anyone who is over that age but u are still welcome to post here

DeusMauzzim

I'm here.. at the nice age of 19 :D

- Deus Mauzzim

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What were Jesus's actual words ?

by aligot ripounsous in

just a thought, which no doubt has been already expressed on here, if not in the same form.

we know how much emphasis the wts puts on teaching that the gospels are authentic historical reports.

however, we can see at least one domain where this historicity must be considered cautiously.

DeusMauzzim

inasmuch as we can trust the gospel record (and if we don't, what other sources shall we discuss ?).

Aligot - I think we are reasoning from two different sets of axioms here (well at least it's not from the Scriptures) :). You are talking about trust that something happened so-and-so while there is no way to verify this totally and objectively. This is the essence of classical belief (fides - 'est autem fides sperandarum substantia rerum, argumentum non apparentium').

I'm not saying this is wrong at all, just that it doesn't work for me. I can not put my trust in a selected set of 'holy' scriptures to convey a transparent truth while at the same time accepting that any other book I know has massive problems doing just that. Your arguments about crowds following Jesus and the pharisees being afraid of him come from the gospels themselves, written by followers of Christ. They surely had an interest in picturing the events like this. What about the historians of that time?

Narkissos - Modesty and such fully agreed.. But just wondering... how would you reconcile Derrida's interpretive feast with Christ's exclusive (dogmatic?) claim? (John 14:6). I think this claim is fairly consistent with all the Christs I know of (forgive me the paradox :)

Deus Mauzzim

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What were Jesus's actual words ?

by aligot ripounsous in

just a thought, which no doubt has been already expressed on here, if not in the same form.

we know how much emphasis the wts puts on teaching that the gospels are authentic historical reports.

however, we can see at least one domain where this historicity must be considered cautiously.

DeusMauzzim

Otoh, once you come to realise how little you can gather through the Gospel texts about the supposed "history behind the texts," the focus shifts back to the texts themselves, as the only solid "object" of study and research.

Agreed. The 19th-century quest for the 'historical Jesus' has not been quite effective, and then again history is also narrative fiction. All we have are the texts (canonical and apocryphal). I think we would be disappointed if we could take a look at the 'historical' Jesus (probably another apocalyptic sect leader).

History is responsible for the transsubstantiation of Jesus of Nazareth into Jesus Christ.

But like aligot, I have also struggled with this question. If being a Christian means following Christ as a role-model (rather than adhering to a set of dogmas), yet the concept of Christ depends on interpretation, then what am I to follow? I am moved by the 'gnostic' Jesus (who does not exist as such!), but also by the canonical Jesus (idem!). Can one follow the Jesus of the Gospel of Judas and the Jesus of the Gospel of John?

Like Narkissos, I do not have a problem with the western truth-fiction dichotomy per se (Plato's problem, not mine!), but what should we put in place when we dismantle this dualism? A buffet belief system? And then again, what should we make of Christ's claim to exclusivity?

If I say that (only) Jesus is Lord, what do I affirm? Why does He only appear to me as a hooded stranger? Is that the mystery?

Deus Mauzzim

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Please point me to the most horrible logical fallacy from the watchtower...

by DeusMauzzim in

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...... so i can hand it in for my logic class next week and have a chance of getting it into the course program next year .

please help this young apostate spread his evil lies at the synagogue of satan called university .

deus mauzzim.

DeusMauzzim

...... so I can hand it in for my Logic class next week and have a chance of getting it into the course program next year . Preferably from the magazines, but books are ok as well. A quote will do, I can handle the logical deconstruction myself.

Please help this young apostate spread his evil lies at the synagogue of Satan called university

Thanks!

Deus Mauzzim

(PS I won't be able to post as much as I would like due to my classes beginning again, but know that I will be thinking of you and checking your posts whenever I can )

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Nightmares

by joelbear69 in

i had another one last night.

they all center around me seeing jehovah's witnesses from the past who i cared about .

and still care about.

DeusMauzzim

I can relate to this, I also have these JW-nightmares once in a while. I'm always having a fight with my mom and she makes some JW-type-comment and I go totally, totally beserk. Then I suddenly wake up wondering about all the anger that is apparently still inside of me.

Wish you the best!

- Deus Mauzzim

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Taking predictions for the 2007 memorial partakers!!

by cultswatter in

i'm doing this well in advance so that all the wonderful people on jwd can look back later and see just how close they were to the actual number!

(it is possible the wts might stop publishing the partaker numbers) in a few days, i will duly record the link to this thread for future reference.. remember that there were 8524 partakers in 2005 and 8758 partakers in 2006, an increase of 234 partakers.

so how many remnant will partake in 2007??.