something has puzzeled me for a long time since i came to this board.
first i would like to say i'm not judging any in what i'm about to say as we all are at different places in our lives and i respect that.. here it is: at what point in your life did you no longer believe in god or believe the bible?.
how many came to this conclution after coming to this db?.
abaddon:
I think you made some extremely traumatic experiences in your life as JW.
As for this reason, I forgive you. I will pray for you, hoping that one day you will get better behavior and insight when time will come..
Your statement was very instructive for me. Of course, I had got no idea of what you told. It's very important for this forum to have got such immense smart guys like you - with extreme high IQ.
something has puzzeled me for a long time since i came to this board.
first i would like to say i'm not judging any in what i'm about to say as we all are at different places in our lives and i respect that.. here it is: at what point in your life did you no longer believe in god or believe the bible?.
how many came to this conclution after coming to this db?.
Seeker4:
.>We do know it was not "JHVH" though, and was NEVER pronounced Jehovah..<
I think you do know the hebrew signs standing for these characters. Or not? Should I insert a picture of the tetragrammaton found on the scrolls of Qumran from Dead Sea? Or pictures of the tetragrammaton
chiselled in stones, digged up by archeologists?
Pronouncing "Jehovah", Yehova", "Jahwe" or "Yahweh" doesn't matter at all: the meaning of the word is of essential interest. And we do know it.
Note: please do not associate in your mind all things about the tetragrammaton with the ORG or WTS. This is false. Even if WTS would vanish at all, the hebrew tetragrammaton and it's meaning would survive !!!
You say, I'd get less convinced with each post. You go astray. This is obviously a wishful thinking of you, but your desire will not come true...
the words: intellectual laziness.
recognize this trait?
ahhh,many who apostasies from the one truth, shall we say ,adopts this trait-and transforms into epitomies of intellectual laziness...they construct the premise there is no true god to mislead others...they proceed to construct arguments to support these prefabricated conclusions with the building blocks of false logic...they convince intellectually lazy individuals the odds of a creators existence are remote...a lie recognizable to any form of honest intelligence.. craig rusbult, ph.d. explains why god refuses to provide irrefutable proof in his existence on the web page http://www.asa3.org/asa/education/views/proof.htm - "although it isn't stated directly in the bible, god seems to prefer a balance of evidence: there is enough reason to believe if we want to believe, but not enough to intellectually force belief against our will.
Hi larc,
I think it's better for an other time.
I am sorry about all disagreements an misunderstandings.
something has puzzeled me for a long time since i came to this board.
first i would like to say i'm not judging any in what i'm about to say as we all are at different places in our lives and i respect that.. here it is: at what point in your life did you no longer believe in god or believe the bible?.
how many came to this conclution after coming to this db?.
seeker4:
.. Erich: I think I lost faith in old JHWH when he couldn't even save his own name. It was supposed to be around forever, but we lost the pronunciation a couple thousand years ago. If a god can't even save his own name, I don't hold out much hope for his ability to save anything of greater substance..<
An interesting statement!
I think this was no accident.
We now, in the 21. century, know exactly the meaning of the tetragrammaton "JHWH". Former folks called it "I am what I am", which means a nonsense, a tautology.
This is the most important message of the case. Pronunciation doesn't matter too much.
over at yahoo science/health news, scientists have regenerated.
30 percent of the optic nerve, within the brain of rats.
is a first - and very promising.. i know i'm a broken record on this but the age of miracles.
Metatron: ..>What could be more wonderful than making
thw Watchtower obsolete by doing away with aging and 'incurable'
disease?...<
Although I'm a JW (and remain to be), I would take this opinion for
plausible. If WTS failed to be proved as "faithful and discreet slave", this would happen...
something has puzzeled me for a long time since i came to this board.
first i would like to say i'm not judging any in what i'm about to say as we all are at different places in our lives and i respect that.. here it is: at what point in your life did you no longer believe in god or believe the bible?.
how many came to this conclution after coming to this db?.
ashitaka:
..>Well, I believe in something bigger than us....<
That's a fine approach for the beginning...
That "SOMETHING BIGGER" you meant is just that one who said "JHWH"
("I shall be proved")
something has puzzeled me for a long time since i came to this board.
first i would like to say i'm not judging any in what i'm about to say as we all are at different places in our lives and i respect that.. here it is: at what point in your life did you no longer believe in god or believe the bible?.
how many came to this conclution after coming to this db?.
gumby:
....I never thought about it till coming here and seeing all the ones who throw God or the bible out the window?..<
Oh no, gumby.
There is much more incredible nonsense:
They use the bible (and the wisdom they have acquired through JWs efforts) to PROOF the non-existence of God and any process of creation.
You do not believe this? look at some treads...
the words: intellectual laziness.
recognize this trait?
ahhh,many who apostasies from the one truth, shall we say ,adopts this trait-and transforms into epitomies of intellectual laziness...they construct the premise there is no true god to mislead others...they proceed to construct arguments to support these prefabricated conclusions with the building blocks of false logic...they convince intellectually lazy individuals the odds of a creators existence are remote...a lie recognizable to any form of honest intelligence.. craig rusbult, ph.d. explains why god refuses to provide irrefutable proof in his existence on the web page http://www.asa3.org/asa/education/views/proof.htm - "although it isn't stated directly in the bible, god seems to prefer a balance of evidence: there is enough reason to believe if we want to believe, but not enough to intellectually force belief against our will.
abaddon said:
<....Bluster, buffonery, vaugness, idiotic logic, and half the time you shoot yourself in the foot!... I think my eight-year-old daughter could spot the erroneous thinking in that..>
Thanks for your very nice compliments!
That vocabulary does shine a light on your intellect and your human behavior!
UGH ! AAARGH !!
(If in future, I'd the choice to live in a system made by guys having minds like U, or guys like Bin Laden, I'd rather prefer the second one...;-((((
the words: intellectual laziness.
recognize this trait?
ahhh,many who apostasies from the one truth, shall we say ,adopts this trait-and transforms into epitomies of intellectual laziness...they construct the premise there is no true god to mislead others...they proceed to construct arguments to support these prefabricated conclusions with the building blocks of false logic...they convince intellectually lazy individuals the odds of a creators existence are remote...a lie recognizable to any form of honest intelligence.. craig rusbult, ph.d. explains why god refuses to provide irrefutable proof in his existence on the web page http://www.asa3.org/asa/education/views/proof.htm - "although it isn't stated directly in the bible, god seems to prefer a balance of evidence: there is enough reason to believe if we want to believe, but not enough to intellectually force belief against our will.
peaceloveharmony:
"Evolution" is no theory; it's religion.
It is no theory wherein a criteria for "falsibility" (see Karl Popper!) is possible!
And now it's end for today.
Sorry. Perhaps we can continue tomorrrow.
I've to do other more important work..
the words: intellectual laziness.
recognize this trait?
ahhh,many who apostasies from the one truth, shall we say ,adopts this trait-and transforms into epitomies of intellectual laziness...they construct the premise there is no true god to mislead others...they proceed to construct arguments to support these prefabricated conclusions with the building blocks of false logic...they convince intellectually lazy individuals the odds of a creators existence are remote...a lie recognizable to any form of honest intelligence.. craig rusbult, ph.d. explains why god refuses to provide irrefutable proof in his existence on the web page http://www.asa3.org/asa/education/views/proof.htm - "although it isn't stated directly in the bible, god seems to prefer a balance of evidence: there is enough reason to believe if we want to believe, but not enough to intellectually force belief against our will.
peaceloveharmony wrote:
...>erich, where does farkel claim his shit generated itself???? you make no sense! neither did tina nor abaddon make this claim. so why do they have to prove anything?..<
Your statement is excellent.
You see, it's very easier to allege the existence of a Creator (God..) than to allege the possibility of any generation without any creator - done by continued evolution...
This was the genuine matter.
(Look back in the thread).
Closure for today.
