The big statue in the video reminds me more of the one Ramon Salazar had made for
himself in "Resident Evil 4."
Kim, who succeeded his father, Kim Il-sung, may in turn be succeeded by a
favourite son. David Letterman: ”North Korean dictator Kim Jung Il may be
stepping down. Experts in the State Department say he could be replaced by his
son, Menta Li Ill.”
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Welcome to North Korea
by glenster init takes a little creative interpretation, but some aspects of north korea.
remind me of what it would be like if the jws leaders ran a country.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj6e3cshcvu.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3742145385913859804&ei=ef1dsqbsb4ewqaoysvcxcg&q=welcome+to+north+korea&hl=en.
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Sabellianism/Trinity
by JWdaughter inhas anyone studied the heresy that led to the teaching of arianism?
it was an opposite heresy called sabellianism.
it is exactly what the wt has been saying is "the trinity", but which was thoroughly discounted and rejected by early christians.
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JWsdaughter is historically correct. What I have on that is on pp.4 and
7 to 10 of "Glenster's Guide to GTJ Brooklyn."
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/
http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/gtjbrooklynindex.htm
Despite the JWs leaders' protests to the contrary, the first cent. Jewish
people could imagine God's own Wisdom or Logos personified and coming from God
to visit people. They indicated belief in God with prayer and worship, and the
reason Paul at first attacked Christians was that they prayed to and worshipped
Jesus, etc. They referred to the holy spirit as personal, etc. Only the word
"Trinity" and the fuss over agreeing to a short phrase for it, and ways to speak
of it, came later.
There are a lot of quotes of JWs leaders, whose view is basically comparable
to Arianism (another word that came up a good while after Christianity started),
misrepresenting that mainstream Christian view of Father and Son as two gods,
etc. That's really only the old Arian argument against Sabellianism, both of
which came up a long time after Christian belief got underway.
The JWs leaders' specifics--basically an Arian-type view except with Michael
as Jesus (which JWs leaders required worship for till the 1950's) and an
impersonal spirit--show up even later.
If you add the other specifics they require and give it a name like "Jehovah's
Witnesses," with tracts of revisionist history and explanations that
misrepresent the mainstream view instead of a phrase for followers to agree to,
it's the most recent of the bunch.
Another irony is that the JWs leaders misrepresent the mainstream view as born
of philosophy centuries after the mainstream view started, whereas philosophy
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Welcome to North Korea
by glenster init takes a little creative interpretation, but some aspects of north korea.
remind me of what it would be like if the jws leaders ran a country.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj6e3cshcvu.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3742145385913859804&ei=ef1dsqbsb4ewqaoysvcxcg&q=welcome+to+north+korea&hl=en.
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Welcome to North Korea
by glenster init takes a little creative interpretation, but some aspects of north korea.
remind me of what it would be like if the jws leaders ran a country.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj6e3cshcvu.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3742145385913859804&ei=ef1dsqbsb4ewqaoysvcxcg&q=welcome+to+north+korea&hl=en.
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It takes a little creative interpretation, but some aspects of North Korea
remind me of what it would be like if the JWs leaders ran a country.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ6E3cShcVU
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3742145385913859804&ei=eF1DSqbsB4ewqAOYsvCxCg&q=welcome+to+north+korea&hl=en
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-FJ6E3cShcVU/welcome_to_north_korea_by_peter_tetteroo_and_raymond_feddema/
- The leaders rationalize their rulership with false claims about their supernatural exclusiveness.
- The people are relatively low income.
- Followers are told propaganda, and shown propagandistic art, about outsiders who are shunned if they break the socialization rules.
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Watchtower leadership believe its own blood doctrine?
by Lee Elder indoes watchtower leadership believe its own blood doctrine?
what does the evidence suggest?
read more at http://ajwrb.org/watchtower_leadership_and_blood.pdf.
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The focus I recommend: the 12 or so JWs leaders claim their exclusiveness
(the only leaders of a literal 144,000, a fraud started by Russell and continued
ever since) is shown by 12 or so exclusive or relatively exclusive rules, which
they claim are required by a conservative interpretation of the Bible and are
substantiated by the best evidence and reasoning.
That isn't true or those rules wouldn't be so exclusive about such old
material tackled from about any angle you can think of for centuries.
1. So when they go to try to prove those rules that way, and they quote from a
book, look for the book. (There are books of examples of JWs leaders using
quotes out of context misrepresentatively, and there are chapters in my report
of authors complaining about their reference books being misused that way by JWs
leaders.)
2. If they say, "That's what the others" (such as mainstream Christians)
"say," see what the most reasonable thing is the others say. The JWs leaders
probably don't represent them by their most reasonable outlooks.
3. If related historical context is important, you better look it up yourself
because if it's bad for their case, they won't tell you about it.
The motive for the insincerity for exclusiveness is for the money from
literature sales. It's especially bad if anyone is hurt or killed over it.
(The leaders seperate persistant critics from their other victims by notably
harsh shunning rules, such as for any of their distinctive rules, which has
divided friends and family. Followers have died following the JWs leaders in
Germany and Malawi, etc. The JWs leaders had a tract on their blood rules that
had kids on the cover and claimed thousands have died putting God's word first.)
In this case, the ethics are comparible to Peter Poppof feigning exclusiveness
with a radio transmitter in his ear and telling followers God told him their
names and addresses and illnesses (transmitted to him by his wife backstage),
that they were healed, and to throw away life sustaining medications like nitro-
glycerin and insulin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff
The JWs leaders are the only ones with their rules about the medical use of
blood and minor blood fractions. All three methods given above apply to how to
research the way they teach it. The matter of quotes out of context is
especially ironic when the book is the Bible and things like Paul's writings
about food are omitted.
http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/gtjbrooklynindex.htm
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Things you may not know about The Watchtower and The Trinity
by UnDisfellowshipped inhere are some things you may not know, which the watchtower society teaches, in regards to the trinity/deity of christ:.
(if you want to find out more, i can post references later, when i have more time).
* jesus has the same nature as jehovah.. * jesus is the exact representation of god's being.. * jesus is much better than the angels.. * jesus can be called "god.".
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What I have on those things, including the JWs leaders altering the evidence
of early Christian history like one of the nuttier 9 11 conspiracy theorists
complete with complaints from authors about misuse of their research material,
misdirection about what the more common view is, etc., is on pp.4 and 7-10 of
the GTA Brooklyn article at the next links.
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/
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Blood and Acts question
by Wicaugen inokay, so, i dunno if this has been brought up before, it probably has, but i have an in depth question.. acts 15:20-21 - but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
for from anchient times moses has had in city after city those who preach him, because he is read aloud in the synagogues on every sabbath.. okay.
here's my question.
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What I have on that is on pp.12-42 at the next link:
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More than 144,000 by end of 1st Century? Reference sought.
by Open mind inthe search function here isn't what it used to be.. can anyone direct me to a reference that shows christianity grew to more than 144,000 converts by 98 ce?.
intuitively it seems like a no-brainer, but something better than gut instinct would be helpful.. om.
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Sorry to double post (and off topic at that), but how do you edit one of your posts?
v Thanks!
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More than 144,000 by end of 1st Century? Reference sought.
by Open mind inthe search function here isn't what it used to be.. can anyone direct me to a reference that shows christianity grew to more than 144,000 converts by 98 ce?.
intuitively it seems like a no-brainer, but something better than gut instinct would be helpful.. om.
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Different people give different numbers for what weould have to be an estimate. Preferably, they give their reasons and you can ponder each of them.
The World Christian Encyclopedia estimates that by 100 AD there were 1 mil-
lion Christians in the Roman Empire out of a population of 181 million.
http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/statistics/partakers.htm David B. Barrett estimates there were 800,000 Christians by that time. (David
B. Barrett and Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, Pasadena,
CA: William Carey Library, 2001, 19)
http://books.google.com/books?id=N3OJ0sz35dsC&pg=PA328&lpg=PA328&dq=800000+christians+ad+100&source=web&ots=PESFP9Hs1A&sig=Vp8WH2LCDgZ0ngZoqKbWEoV8dC0&hl=en#PPA328,M1 By the JW leaders' idea of a great apostasy and restoration of the original
Christianity, the JWs leaders' alleged 144,000 would have included some of the
earliest Christians yet the 144,000 is still open to new membership in 2007.
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Illuminati-Church Connections
by cameo-d intake a look at what appears in the "capstone" area of this very old church!
(duomo).
http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/photo503305.htm.
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