Posts by glenster

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Jesus King of Edessa

by mP in

theres an interesting new book out that claims that jesus of the bible shares many similarities with a historical character who was the king of edessa.

his name was izus and manu.

supposedly there is a reference in mt about jesus being called emmanual when this only happens once.

I'm pretty sure I don't want to go through all the research. I'm just another
shlub who can look these things up and will take it seriously when the ac-
credited historians say them. At least the Hyksos/Exodus idea is debated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

The God concept regards a choice to hope or not for a possible God beyond the
known things. I recommend a liberal stance that includes keeping up with the
known things, not Bible inerrancy, and, since it's a possibility not a proven,
not wanting harm over it. I think Ellis is playing with the known things in a
way that causes harm if you take his conclusions given above as history (Jesus,
Cleopatra's great grandson, was deported by the Romans to England where he be-
came king?). It might be better to think of it as "JFK"--you might like it as a
movie but it's conspiracy theorist stuff. I don't recommend Ellis inerrancy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Arimathea#Britain

I remember his idea of Josephus and Paul being the same person--it was brought
up several years ago on the Internet message boards. Some links for it are
below--it went on for pages and included posts by Ralph Ellis. It reminds me of
the Lincoln/Kennedy--more than coincidence?--idea except with belabored persua-
sion to discredit historians for not taking it as history.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread206916/pg1&colorshift=yes
http://vridar.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-shipwrecks-of-josephus-and-paul-part-3/

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Jesus King of Edessa

by mP in

theres an interesting new book out that claims that jesus of the bible shares many similarities with a historical character who was the king of edessa.

his name was izus and manu.

supposedly there is a reference in mt about jesus being called emmanual when this only happens once.

glenster

Ralph claims Jesus was a descendant of Cleopatra
that he was the king of Edessa
that the events of the Gospels take place decades after the time they describe
Josephus was Saul
that all Hyksos pharaohs were Jews, and
Jesus was King Arthur.

I think Ralph is just goofing on these things to sell a book.
Here's another post about it.
http://gilgamesh42.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/ralph-ellis-swings-and-misses-again-more-on-jesus-as-king-arthur-and-other-oddities/

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Homosexuality is an abomination!

by Fernando in

moralism,.

which as ray franz said about legalism, also seems to lead to a "morass of inconsistencies".. ray seemingly even went as far as describing "legalism" (or by extension moralism) as apostasy or "a denial of christian faith" (g79 6/8 pp.

an amusing look at the levitical law.. (from bible house of grace).

glenster

The liberal Christian stance on a possible God requires keeping up with the
known things God is possible beyond, and, since it's a possibility hoped for,
not proven, that there not be harm over it. (MLK, RFK, S.Colbert, etc.).

Research for a liberal Christian stance on homosexuality about 3/4ths down the
page:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/current/230149/18/Chick-fil-A-Fast-Food-AGAINST-Liberty-and-Equality

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Jesus King of Edessa

by mP in

theres an interesting new book out that claims that jesus of the bible shares many similarities with a historical character who was the king of edessa.

his name was izus and manu.

supposedly there is a reference in mt about jesus being called emmanual when this only happens once.

glenster

I found this on Abgar V:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abgar_V#The_historicity_of_the_Abgar_legend

The historicity of the Abgar legend

The Abgar legend has played an important part in the self-definition of
several Eastern churches, but its historicity is extremely doubtful. Two recent
histories of the Church of the East, Baum and Winkler's The Church of the East
and David Wilmshurst's The Martyred Church, have addressed this issue and have
discussed the growth and development of the legend.[12] Alexander Mirkovic also
argued against the historicity of the legend, pointing out at that the legend is
not the only one of its genre. There were many conversion stories coming out of
the Middle East in the 3rd and 4th centuries. In many ways these stories repre-
sent a model for the conversion of Constantine.[13] Notice the similarity be-
tween the Book of Abgar and the conversion of Helena of Adiabene and her son
Ezad II in Josefus Flavius: Jewish Antiquities, XX 2. In the story told by
Josephus there is a Jewish merchant by the name Ananias and the question is of
circumcision of Ezad.

In the Book of Abgar, Ananias is the messenger sent by King Abgar to Jesus.
Ezad’s son was Abgar VII of Edessa (Ostroene). The origin of the story may be
that Ezad, the father of Abgar VII, had exchanged letters with somebody in Jeru-
salem, but more probably with the Nasi Gamaliel than with Jesus.

Author of the idea Ralph Ellis and Tom Verenna back and forth on it at the
next link:
http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/a-new-theory-that-jesus-was-king-of-edessa-not-so-fast-mr-ellis/

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Is this the BEST pre-TITLE sequence in movie history?

by Terry in

this film was written by julius epstein who also wrote the script for casablanca.. if this scene doesn't grab you---you can't be grabbed!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o347nfr2lws.

you will need to magnify it to full size or you will miss the "payoff".. .

glenster

aka pre-credit sequence

Touch of Evil
Goldfinger
Ghostbusters
Raising Arizona
Pulp Fiction

earlier

Crime Without Passion (1934)
Destry Rides Again (1939)
The Egg and I (1947)
Rommell, Desert Fox (1951)

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Is this the BEST pre-TITLE sequence in movie history?

by Terry in

this film was written by julius epstein who also wrote the script for casablanca.. if this scene doesn't grab you---you can't be grabbed!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o347nfr2lws.

you will need to magnify it to full size or you will miss the "payoff".. .

glenster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_open

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Is this the BEST pre-TITLE sequence in movie history?

by Terry in

this film was written by julius epstein who also wrote the script for casablanca.. if this scene doesn't grab you---you can't be grabbed!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o347nfr2lws.

you will need to magnify it to full size or you will miss the "payoff".. .

glenster

Some other pre-title sequences: Patton, Paint Your Wagon, and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

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For those who still believe that Christianity is the only truth

by sosoconfused in

please help me to understand how you address this.. from the creation of adam to the birth of noah was about 900 to 1000 years.

during this period literally only a handful of people worshipped the true god.

then came the flood - at which point there were only 8 faithful people the world over.. .

glenster

I don't know proof of the basic God concept. If you add names, interventions,
etc., it's definitely a matter of faith. By God's prerogative an invitation
list could be big, small, everyone, or nobody.

The problem with deciding by invitation list that requires Him to invite
everybody is it banks on an all-benificent stipulation as though required by
same quality being ethics. But that isn't the concept, and by that we'd all
live in heavenly circumstances forever already and we don't.

Dropping that, you have a choice of faith or not in a God that loves less than
everything all the time regarding lesser beings, and the invitation list possi-
bilities are more varied and flexible.

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