Posts by SnakesInTheTower

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Do you want your publisher cards? Do you need a congregation "secretary" to request them? I can do it

by BonaFide in

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i think someone else mentioned this before, but i am interested in providing some practical help to those on this board.

many of you have helped me, and i see a lot of good will on here.. some here seem to need to move to another congregation to "fade.

" or they might be in a judicial situation.. can i help?

SnakesInTheTower

Bonafide...

your idea would neverhave worked with me as secretary. I was always on the alert for something just like this...call me paranoid, but I am experienced in the field of skip tracing and collections.... I used to use that and many other methods to get information from people all the time when trying to catch up with a deadbeat...I mean "debtor". It is amazing how many people you can call and start asking questions about their coworkers, friends, neighbors, relatives, ex-wives etc and they answer...all too eager to share the dirt.

When I was a congregation secretary, if I had a request to transfer a card and send a letter, I covered my backside. The Society usually does not get involved in general publisher transfers unless they are pioneer, elder, MS,etc. OR if there are "complications."

If I received a phone call or a letter from a secretary, and I did not know the secretary personally, I immediately called Bethel and verified that the secretary name, address, congo info, etc was what they had on file. I also got the PO info and called him if I had any question about the request. The phone call to Service took all of a minute or two. Anyone can call Bethel and ask for that information. Tell them you are moving into the territory and need the PO and secretary info. Or tell them you are verifying contact info for a transfer of cards. They appreciate that little extra check. MOST secretaries do not do that.

After I typed up the letter of introduction to the new congo, I had the PO and Service Overseer look it over, make recommended changes, and sign the final copy. Covered my butt. I hear this is now the official procedure...no more secretaries going off the reservation sending their own opinions in a letter (as happened to me when I moved).

I would highly not advise the course of action that Bonafide is offering....it has B A D I D E A written all over it...I take BF at face value until proven otherwise. I am pretty certain he and I have met in the past. Whether or not BF is legit or troll has absolutelynothing to do with it folks... and if you are going to do something foolish like this... set up a post office box for 6 months wherever you want the card/letter to go...send a nice basic letter requesting the card and letter....and have it sent to YOUR PO BOX. The letter is horribly easy to write. (Let the postmaster know they might get a letter with that "secretary" name on it so they dont return it.) This only works if the town you are sending it to is NOT in the same circuit or district or even metropolitan area.

And in any case, you are taking a chance. Better to just send a DA letter...LOL

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Service group overseer says can't put 0 down for me

by garlic81 in

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service group overseer called thursday before the meeting looking for my may time.

he tells me to email it to him and gives me his email address.

i email once from my cell, and from my pc when i get home; and i leave a voicemail for him.

SnakesInTheTower

tell him this keeps you "regular"...

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I had a discussion with a JW sister today about miscarriage and the new WT

by BonaFide in

so this morning was the public talk and wt study.

after, we did our usual and went to eat.

the group was mixed ages.

SnakesInTheTower

good job bonafide.... waiting to hear about your fade imploding..lol

reniaa... i dont respond to you often. I am, however, glad you are here. Your counterpoint arguments fuel debate and debate is good. Debate makes people think. Thinking leads to questioning. Questioning leads to an examination of one's beliefs. Examination can lead to change for the better...including leaving a cult....this site helped me do that...and I was an elder, pioneer, and MTS grad like Bonafide.

Reniaa....You sound sooooo much like my JW mom, defending God's Organization™ even though she has obvious doubts about the ever shifting sands of the Watchtower doctrine.

As an active JW on an anti-JW site, you subject yourself to an almost guaranteed JC by the rules of the religion. You not only lurk on an apostate (per JW rules) site, you are registered and posting, engaging apostates in discussion. You know this is grounds for apostasy. It is likely you would be difellowshipped. I sat on a JC for an apostasy. That brother did nothing apostate to be DF..there was no real "proof"....the PO had it in for him. The PO was not interested in evidence to the contrary. Inuendo and suspicioun was enough.

YOU, on the other hand, have tons and tons and tons of proof against you for apostasy if anyone ever found out. I hope not for your sake. You seem to have a need to have one foot in the religion cult.

I lurked here as an elder early on. Only when I was on my way out and fading did I register and post. I am done with the religion now. I don't do anything dub anymore. My JW mom is the only reason I don't just send a letter. For other reasons not apostate, I figure by Sept 1st I will be DF. I will DA first.

sorry bonafide, I didn't intend to hijack your thread....I just had to comment on this within the context of the discussion. I wish reniaa only the best.

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Happy Anniversary Barbie Doll

by PEC in

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in a few short days it will be our 11th anniversary.

sweetheart, i love you more with each passing year.. philip.

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SnakesInTheTower

happy anniversary Barbie Doll and PEC....

Snakes (Rich )

and yes, I meant to post my name on the open board.

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Today was our 30th Wedding Anniversary !

by troubled mind in

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SnakesInTheTower

congrats....

I hope I get to see one anniversary let alone 30.... but damn I will be old by then...LOL

and that orange...sheesh... I swear our old KH in Southwestern Illinois had that ugly pizza throw up orange color design..curtains too...

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Need Help NOW!!!

by chapstick in

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i've lost all of my data due to a omputer problem.

here's what i need.- there is a list of all of the kings from 539 untill jerusalms destruction.

this list was drived from several watchtowers and proves the date 607 as wrong using there own material.

SnakesInTheTower

dont know if this is what you are looking for.... this is a list of the babylonian kings ...its a 6 page PDF... if the link below doesnt work type the following into Google:

list of kings from 539 bce

it will be the 3rd link down

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au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/WTS_support_for_the_Babylonian_king-list.pdf -

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How has Life Been Going For You ? Wanna Talk about It ?

by flipper in

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are you hanging in there with life and moving on- post witness ?

i'm sure most are staying busy with work- or staying busy looking for work with this economy.

are you moving on and enjoying life in your leisure time ?

SnakesInTheTower

Glad to see ya here flippers....

Life is very good for me.... sure you read the threads. In all seriousness, the happiest I have ever been, JW or post-JW. I keep dreading waking up from the dream. Thankfully its real.

Finishing community college in Aug finally. Will have an AS in Business. May have to take a break from school before pursuing a B.S. and catch up financially....and I am headed out to work shortly...only reason I am still here is the PO of the local congo stopped by...soft pitch this time....

yell at ya later.... I am horrible about making phone calls....

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San Diego Pastor & Wife Told They Can't Have Bible Study Group In Their Home!

by minimus in

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about 15 people meet for a bible study in the home of the pastor.

the county has informed him that he cannot have a religious assembly in his home without first applying for a very expernsive permit.. hmmm.

maybe the society took home book studies away for legal reasons.. personally, i think the government has no right to tell people they can't meet up for bible study..

SnakesInTheTower

It is not a religious issue though I am sure they will make it one.

The issue is logisticsand safety. If there is enough room in the couple's driveway (if there is one) to accommodate all of their "guests", then no one has the right to complain....assuming that they keep noise levels down. However, if the is no driveway (or limited driveway), and the "guests" have to park on the street, then that is where the issue comes up. For an occasional party then that is just life in the city. First come, first served. If someone is having a party (or a bible study) every week and attracting lots of vehicles, then that is going to cause problems.

Where the couple crosses the line is that they are apparently in violation of zoning ordinances. A church zoning is different than a residential zoning. In my town we have residential zoning (R1 and R2 is single family; R3 is mixed, single family; R4 is multiple family (apartments, condos) and R5 is manufactured homes (trailers) and is restricted to a mobile home park). Churches have to apply for special use permits for just the reason in this case..it is causing parking and/or traffic problems...to get input from the neighbors on how an exception to the usual use of a property will affect everyone else. I think forcing them to apply for a permit and making the process transparent for public input is a good thing.

minimus:

Personally, I think the government has no right to tell people they can't meet up for Bible study.

I agree with certain exceptions. If the people want to all come in a single van (instead of 5-10 cars clogging up the street), and the house/property can accomodate the number of guests (for whatever purpose...bible study, frat party, tupperware, etc) without violating fire codes for number of occupants in a building, then yeah no problem..have the gathering.... But if parking is an issue, then the government has the obligation to protect the rights of all the people in a neighborhood. The purpose of the gathering is irrelevant but will be used to inflame the argument.

I have a personal stake in issues like this. My residential street is very narrow and barely can accomodate two cars passing each other slowly. My neighbor insists on parking on the street in front of their house, this despite the fact they have a perfectly good driveway that has room for two cars. It is legal but it is not safe. Their car blocks my view of traffic coming from that direction. There is no safe way for me to back out of my drive when they park there. I got hit recently because of this. (This cost me $500 deductible on my insurance to fix my car, $100 for the ticket, and $159 for the useless lawyer that was supposed to fix the damn thing when all he did was do what I could have done. This does not include whatever rate hike I will get come renewal.)

Every other tenant that has lived next door has not parked there when I point this out. These idiots (until recently) have insisted on their rights. I am trying to get the city to restrict the parking on this block since everyone has driveways that can accomodate at least two vehicles......until then....idiots have rights....

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How was your Memorial Day?

by AK - Jeff in

we had a blast.. first - yesterday i got my flags out and hung properly for the summer.. today we had a little bbq.

we had family and just a few friends over and played softball and talked and drank some beer.

my gay friend jeri and i did tequila shots [i never did that before!]..

SnakesInTheTower

I wish I could say I spent the day doing noble Memorial Day things. I did watch a couple of services this morning on TV. I presume the Memorial Day parade went on today in town despite the rain.

Today was a unique challenge....I spent the day with my gf and her 8 year old son. Because of the rain and the late start we ended up skipping the city museum (that's what its called: citymuseum.org) and the zoo and doing the science center instead...watched an Omnimax movie that her son wanted to watch .....in between him playing mini nintendo or whatever the hell that game is called (lol)...and trying to sneak just normal regular kisses from his young eyes...lol...no such luck... he was timing us for god's sake... challenging us to kiss longer .... where the hell does an 8 year old boy get these ideas..... TWO WORDS:

Family Guy.

Yep, I think his days of watching that show are over...... then we drove down to a pretty cool pedestrian friendly area a few miles away and had noodle dishes at one place and root beer floats at another... drove by my office to drop off work...took them both home.... really really really really tried to get the 8 year old to go upstairs to their apartment for a few minutes...no such luck... damn that Family Guy..... lol

By the way, I lost my infamous hat today (the one that was a replacement for the one I wore in TO). The 8 year old liked it....and kept wanting to wear it.....thought it made him look cool...and it does....., sweaty stains and all. I was going to give him my new one. Good thing I have the back up at home. I took the hat back from him briefly to wear to the car 'cause it was raining... he looked crushed.... so I gave him the hat (yeah, I have sucker written on my forehead by an 8 year old) and in return we got a tiny bit of peace as her son walked ahead.... very observant little kid....toodamn observant for his own good. His mom and I have dated only a week (but knew each other for 3 years prior) and her son is already planning our wedding. 8 years old...damn...lol... That's enough for the moment.... I promise I wont be blogging or posting all the time about us......but you asked how was memorial day.... you got it.... I love to write of course, so I am keeping a journal for us in case it goes well....and for ritual burning if it does not......these first few posts are part of that.... much more that will never see the light of day....

side note (but more germane to the board purpose)...she and I had a long talk about JWs (and Catholicism)...she went on the internet to learn more about dubs....and she still went out with me... I promised her that it will never be JW stuff that gets in our way... I am done with dubs...but a very good discussion.

A good day for the three of us. Regular mundane things in the way most of the week.... school and work for me, work and kids for her....

HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO YOU ALL......My dad was military, my brother was briefly....so a special salute to all former and current military.... I don't have the strength or courage to do what you do or have done for us. Thank goodness YOU do or did.

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Any of these names ring any bells with anyone here?

by AK - Jeff in

pat loo - indianapolis indiana.

walt lunsford - tulsa?

colorado springs?.

SnakesInTheTower

was Brooks in MTS? Name sounds familiar..but I am sure I am mixing him up with someone else..

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