Posts by SnakesInTheTower

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Why Are They Called Privileges?

by Quillsky in

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seems like work to me....... doing the microphones, manning the magazine counter, spending countless (sorry, counted) hours every month knocking on doors.. privileges?.

SnakesInTheTower

same thing as military and becoming a salaried manager. My fiancee has the title at work of "associate trainer". I am not sure what the hell that means. I noticed there are a bunch of them around..they hand that title out like candy. She is hourly so its not extra hours for same pay. It means she gets blamed more than just the average "associate" (newbie hire). Then there are "shift managers". I think they too are hourly. Difference is that the store (general) manager keeps them on a leash (cell phone) and makes them go to other stores to pick up supplies, makes them work close (until 11pm) and then come back in at 5am or sooner to open the restaraunt. Then there are the assistant managers....salaried...salary = slavery. Only the GM (store manager) can pick their own hours.

back to Kingdom Hall crap......when I was a wannabe MS...then wannabe elder...yep...you just couldnt wait for the next privilege on the corporate theocratic ladder. I once gave a SM part all about that ladder...complete with actual ladders....lol.

During MTS...I got wise to that sh*t...... only took me another 4.5 years to quit being an elder..... and dumping all of my privileges....

.....and I had to do a lot of that literature crap.... in fact, I ran the whole damn depot for about 150 congregations......what a PRIVILEGE!!! .

Forget 40 pound boxes...how about 14 one ton pallets... of bound volumes and year books.....oh...but what a privilege to use the cantakerous forklift (that ran so sucky that given the wrong combination of lift and acceleration caused it to stall and/or flood).... to load literature off the truck...then break it down...and sort it...for hours..sometimes by myself.... then come back a week later on Saturday and help load it into the brothers cars..... and wonder why they bring a f***ing 2 door (non service approved) hatchback to load 20 boxes into...and then complain that their car is dragging out the ramp as they leave....and their pioneer sister GF/wife has to sit on top of a literature box and another between her feet...... because he drug her along to show what a great he-man Theocratic giant he was because he had privileges.....

What a privilege to drive 90 miles each way to some out of the way congregation (though once I drove 5 hours) with 20 publishers desperately hanging on to their little hovel of a KH to give a talk...only to be either not taken out at all or taken to the one hole in the wall diner with sh*tty food and sludge coffee for lunch.. (the worst though was the wealthy congregation that didnt take me out at all for lunch...just gave me $20 to take myself out...despite the fact that the "friends" raved about how great the talk was ......I declined both the money and the invite to come back 6 months later).

What a privilege to clean toilets at the arena/convention center/school in pre-con work..where the facility managers knew suckers when they seen the JWs coming...knowing that it was spring summer cleaning time for them and their maintenance guys could take the weekend off....lol. Especially the time that the day before they had a monster truck show... or a cattle show...or some other dust/dirt creating show that coated the entire 10-20,000 seats with dirt.....mmmmmmm.... what a PRIVILEGE.

NEVER NEVER NEVER AGAIN ....

Snakes (Rich ...of the "no more 'privileges'" Sheep Class)

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Whatever happened to the poster named V?

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.

anyone know what ever became of v?

thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .

SnakesInTheTower

bump

Snakes (Rich )

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Woman Raised Jehovah's Witness awarded Rhodes Scholarship

by slimboyfat in

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sorry if this has been posted already, i don't recall seeing it before.. .

http://www.wave3.com/global/story.asp?s=11554602.

first u of l woman awarded rhodes scholarshipposted:

SnakesInTheTower

congrats to that young lady...very well spoken.....

It took me until I was nearly 40 before going to college....and that while still an elder... my first class was philosophy (ethics).... what an eye opener...the young lady is correct...there is so much more to explore out there....

..better late than never for some of us...glad she is doing it while still young...

Snakes (Rich )

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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i received this crap from my jw mom today.

i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .

you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.

SnakesInTheTower

jackie....

sadly my mom calls less and less.... she gets upset for various reasons.....a) in her eyes I am living "in sin".... she wants us to get married...we want that too but other issues outside of our control interfere,.... it will happen soon...on our terms, not anyone elses....she is happy I am getting married....she would be happier if I was marrying a dub... (see my stories about how well looking in the Borg for a spouse worked out for me)

b) I was the only one of three of her sons that got baptized...she was so proud in 2002 when I graduated from MTS....she made sure to be here for that...it will be interesting to see if she comes home in May for my graduation from college.....she promised....

c) she has no one to talk about "spiritual" things....sadly....the last few years I was in she and I spent more time complaining about various atrocities and injustices perpetrated against us by other JWs... and only limited time discussing WT related articles and meetings.

My mom left this town before it completely ruined her.... she moved to where she knew almost no one.... now she has been uprooted again...and her only "friends" are local dubs.... and those are very conditional... I never hear about her doing social things with "the friends".... just out in service...usually with the marginalized and the elderly.

As to sending her the Generation chart....I hope she takes it at face value...I sent her the one with only WT references...the "JW friendly" version...if she really still studies deeply maybe she will see the evolution of the whole Generation doctrine....if not, she will glance over it and then toss it aside. Most JWs will look at that chart and their eyes will glaze over.

I love my mom.... I miss her...she lives too far away...... but I wont let her interfere with my relationship with Toni..... and I will pass on your greetings...she is asleep on the couch right now ....Hunter is in his room watching tv...thus the only reason I have much time on the board....dishes are done...laundry is done...one bed is made I have another to finish...kid had his bath.... it is reasonably quiet...

thanks for the feedback...keep it coming...I need it...this is tough to deal with...

Snakes (Rich )

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Whatever happened to the poster named V?

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.

anyone know what ever became of v?

thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .

SnakesInTheTower

I get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the YouTube channel hasnt been visited by V in 8 months and it was April when V was here last?

Anyone know what ever became of V? Or can you say?

Thanks for the update....PM me if you would rather not post on the public board...

Snakes (Rich )

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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i received this crap from my jw mom today.

i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .

you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.

SnakesInTheTower

lm:

Im sorry you had to receive that Snakes - I instantly delete that crap too unless a family member sneaks one in

that's ok...I just sent her that Generation teachings chart that was posted elsewhere..fair, right?....lol

Snakes (Rich )

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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i received this crap from my jw mom today.

i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .

you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.

SnakesInTheTower

I am not sure what to say back to her. It wont be in an email. I prefer in person or if that is not possible on the phone.

I was going to call her today but now that she has sent that I dont want to call her. I dont want her thinking that I am calling because she sent it...nor do I want to argue with her about it.

So more time will go by. Maybe she will call. Or maybe I will call and not bring it up. If she brings it up, I think I like what OTWO said: "Yes, everyone was getting burned in the organization and those that left on their own cooled off. But as soon as they return, they will be burned again."

oh well, it is what it is. If it had come from anyone other than my mother, I would simply have deleted it and ignored it.

Snakes (Rich )

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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i received this crap from my jw mom today.

i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .

you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.

SnakesInTheTower

what makes me so angry is that my mom has time to issue this utter bullsh*t in an email but she cant pick up the f*ck*ng phone and call me to see how I am doing?

I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or scream. So damn sad.

Snakes (Rich )

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Did Your Congregation Have Sex -------------

by megaflower in

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talks, public sermons.

i bet you thought this thread was about something else,lol.

we had them quite often, hmm must have been a huge problem.

SnakesInTheTower

what is especially bad about the local needs parts is that on the Service Meeting schedule it rarely if ever stated what the topic was going to be. It just said "Local Needs...... Brother Pervert"

If the elders were doing what the Borg directed, they would discuss the topics as part of their quarterly elders meetings. The topics would be known well in advance. Publishers could then know in advance if this was going to be appropriate for their preschoolers or not....

...oh wait.... that's right..... in a cult you don't get choices. They spring this crap on you out of nowhere and you have nowhere to hide. If you get up or just leave, then you are viewed as an immature prude who cannot handle a supposedly mature topic. Or...you must be embarrassed because you are doing whatever it is they are discussing....wait for your JC invite to an investigational inquiry.

As a single brother I never was allowed to give those sex talks...thank goodness. I would have refused it anyway.

And as a talk coordinator...I would not schedule the sex and marriage talks unless the BOE or PO directed me point blank to schedule it....unlike the Local Needs talks...the Public Talks usually are posted weeks or months in advance...giving people ample opportunity to visit another congo or just stay home and have sex......

Snakes (Rich )

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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i received this crap from my jw mom today.

i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .

you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.

SnakesInTheTower

I received this crap from my JW mom today. I hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back . Her email had the opposite effect on me. It tells me I made the right decision leaving the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, The "Christian" Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, et al.

You see, when I left, I immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc. I was not consumed by the constant need to "Do More™." I was an elder and regular pioneer. I gave my entire life from age 4 or 5 until age 40 to the pursuit of Theocratic Goals™. Everytime I was pulled down a notch or two, I would fight my way back up the ladder. I reached all of the goals that I had set for myself except CO. After MTS, I realized the whole religion was a scam. The whole CO arrangement is nothing but a managerial technique for the corporation to keep an eye on its congregations -- better and more accurately known in the early days as "Companies." After 2002, I began looking for answers. It took me another 4 1/2 years to leave. I gave up chances at careers, education, family...all in the pursuit of the all consuming glag of "doing what Jehovah wants," but in reality slaving for Watchtower.

So, if you are someone that is still in the Organization, and you are lurking on this board reading this...know that I am not some "crazy apostate" but a former JW that did all that he was told and then some. When (and very likely not if but you will) recieve the below email..and I am sure it has made the rounds multiple times in the past...think about what the "Fire" in the illustration (because no way in hell did this "sheperdng call" actually happen...how dare he mess with his hosts fireplace)...REALLY represents ...not the warm glow and support of the organization...not the supposedly warm love of fellow brothers and sisters.....but the burning consumption of a cult and the harsh embrace of fellow cult members.

SnakesInTheTower (Rich...of the "now free of the embers of Watchtower" Sheep Class)

> The Shepherding Visit
>
> A brother, who previously had been attending meetings regularly, stopped going. After a few weeks, an elder decided to visit him.
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> It was a chilly evening. The elder found the brother at home alone, sitting before a blazing fire. Guessing the reason for the elders visit, the brother welcomed him, led him to a comfortable chair near the fireplace and waited.
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> The elder made himself at home but said nothing. In the grave silence, he contemplated the dance of the flames around the burning logs. After some minutes, the elder took the fire tongs, carefully picked up a brightly burning ember and placed it to one side of the hearth all alone then he sat back in his chair, still silent.
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> The host watched all this in quiet contemplation. As the one lone ember's flame flickered and diminished, there was a momentary glow and then its fire was no more. Soon it was cold and dead.
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> Not a word had been spoken since the initial greeting. The elder glanced at his watch and realized it was time to leave. He slowly stood up, picked up the cold, dead ember and placed it back in the middle of the fire. Immediately it began to glow, once more with the light and warmth of the burning coals around it.
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> As the elder reached the door to leave, his host said with a tear running down his cheek, 'Thank you so much for your visit and especially for the fine encouragement.. I will be back in the Kingdom Hall next Sunday'.