Posts by SnakesInTheTower

I used to work with a guy who, like me, had an inside/outside job...cart guy, janitor, etc... in the winter he would go out in the ice and snow..come in...with his 'stache covered in ice.... he was also a messy guy...so there were often bits of food in his 'stache... we used to tell him that he had the frozen food section in his mustache....

....he didn't find the comment humorous... nor did he improve his hygiene.....

..as for me... I have a neatly trimmed mustache..I hate it when I miss a stray hair that curls over my lip... my fiancee likes my 'stache...but doesn't like it when I get that scratchy feel on my face (that brief time between not shaving and starting a beard)...and I love to nestle my face on the back of her neck .... she complains only if its scratchy...

Snakes (Rich....)

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Watchtower cleans out Kingdom Hall Library's ...

by RR in

last night i got a call from a chap in the uk, who recently left the jw's.

he wanted to compare notes with his us counterparts.. he said that a few years ago, (i think about 2 years ago) the society cleaned out all the literature from every kingdom hall, particularly russell and rutherford books and anything prior to 1950. giving each hall a computer with the watchtower cd rom for them to use for research.

he wanted to know if the same was done in the states.

SnakesInTheTower

donuthole:

When I was still a JW about four years ago I got to looking at the old Russell era literature in the library and brought it to the PO's attention about the pyramidology and stuff in it, which I considered Satanic. He mentioned that the Society? CO? had mentioned something about getting rid of the old literature. I don't know if it was a recommendation or directive. It seems that if it was a directive it would have already been done. If it was just an encouragement I could see why they hadn't yet followed through. I don't remember the exact details of what as said.

I do remember.....since I was an elder at the time in your KH, I can tell you exactly what happened at the time: NOTHING. Hell, they wanted to keep (and I succeeded in getting rid of) old encyclopediasdonated from someone long dead.... The elders had a hard time keeping new light in that library. Now, maybe something changed in 2007 when that KH was gutted and remodeled...maybe something changed and they finally cleared out the library. I did hear they finally painted over that outdated yearbook map....the brother who painted it originally long ago moved...on a more recent visit he asked why it was still there......lol.

When I graduated MTS in 2002, this subject of KH libraries was discussed. There was no official directive then, and as of the end of 2006 when I was deleted as an elder by the same elders you talked to, it was never an official directive. As of mid 2007 when I finally walked away, there was still no official directive.

However, different CO's/elders/etc....different "house rules".... the nearby KH with 2 congos divided up their original library and tried to make as complete a duplicate library for the new sister congo as possible...I know because that became my job..... and I loved the old books so it was not really work for me..... a few years later, a CO (I dont remember which), wanted the old light cleared out...I fought him and said it was part of the Society's "history" and should be kept for newbies... (Ironically, I got rid of the very last of my WT crap yesterday...including NWT bibles...I think I may have kept my dad's old pocket deluxe bible...that's it).

after I left that congo for MTS ...and subsequently your old congo....I did hear that the duplicates were gotten rid of and possibly the old stuff too... I have heard that there is a push for all new congos/KHs to use a non-internet connected computer with a basic word processor and WT Library and a printer on it. ...but nothing official.

Funny..... good to see you are still around...

Snakes (Rich...of the "formerly in 'Death Valley Congregation'" Sheep Class)

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Why Are They Called Privileges?

by Quillsky in

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seems like work to me....... doing the microphones, manning the magazine counter, spending countless (sorry, counted) hours every month knocking on doors.. privileges?.

SnakesInTheTower

same thing as military and becoming a salaried manager. My fiancee has the title at work of "associate trainer". I am not sure what the hell that means. I noticed there are a bunch of them around..they hand that title out like candy. She is hourly so its not extra hours for same pay. It means she gets blamed more than just the average "associate" (newbie hire). Then there are "shift managers". I think they too are hourly. Difference is that the store (general) manager keeps them on a leash (cell phone) and makes them go to other stores to pick up supplies, makes them work close (until 11pm) and then come back in at 5am or sooner to open the restaraunt. Then there are the assistant managers....salaried...salary = slavery. Only the GM (store manager) can pick their own hours.

back to Kingdom Hall crap......when I was a wannabe MS...then wannabe elder...yep...you just couldnt wait for the next privilege on the corporate theocratic ladder. I once gave a SM part all about that ladder...complete with actual ladders....lol.

During MTS...I got wise to that sh*t...... only took me another 4.5 years to quit being an elder..... and dumping all of my privileges....

.....and I had to do a lot of that literature crap.... in fact, I ran the whole damn depot for about 150 congregations......what a PRIVILEGE!!! .

Forget 40 pound boxes...how about 14 one ton pallets... of bound volumes and year books.....oh...but what a privilege to use the cantakerous forklift (that ran so sucky that given the wrong combination of lift and acceleration caused it to stall and/or flood).... to load literature off the truck...then break it down...and sort it...for hours..sometimes by myself.... then come back a week later on Saturday and help load it into the brothers cars..... and wonder why they bring a f***ing 2 door (non service approved) hatchback to load 20 boxes into...and then complain that their car is dragging out the ramp as they leave....and their pioneer sister GF/wife has to sit on top of a literature box and another between her feet...... because he drug her along to show what a great he-man Theocratic giant he was because he had privileges.....

What a privilege to drive 90 miles each way to some out of the way congregation (though once I drove 5 hours) with 20 publishers desperately hanging on to their little hovel of a KH to give a talk...only to be either not taken out at all or taken to the one hole in the wall diner with sh*tty food and sludge coffee for lunch.. (the worst though was the wealthy congregation that didnt take me out at all for lunch...just gave me $20 to take myself out...despite the fact that the "friends" raved about how great the talk was ......I declined both the money and the invite to come back 6 months later).

What a privilege to clean toilets at the arena/convention center/school in pre-con work..where the facility managers knew suckers when they seen the JWs coming...knowing that it was spring summer cleaning time for them and their maintenance guys could take the weekend off....lol. Especially the time that the day before they had a monster truck show... or a cattle show...or some other dust/dirt creating show that coated the entire 10-20,000 seats with dirt.....mmmmmmm.... what a PRIVILEGE.

NEVER NEVER NEVER AGAIN ....

Snakes (Rich ...of the "no more 'privileges'" Sheep Class)

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Whatever happened to the poster named V?

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.

anyone know what ever became of v?

thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .

SnakesInTheTower

bump

Snakes (Rich )

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Woman Raised Jehovah's Witness awarded Rhodes Scholarship

by slimboyfat in

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sorry if this has been posted already, i don't recall seeing it before.. .

http://www.wave3.com/global/story.asp?s=11554602.

first u of l woman awarded rhodes scholarshipposted:

SnakesInTheTower

congrats to that young lady...very well spoken.....

It took me until I was nearly 40 before going to college....and that while still an elder... my first class was philosophy (ethics).... what an eye opener...the young lady is correct...there is so much more to explore out there....

..better late than never for some of us...glad she is doing it while still young...

Snakes (Rich )

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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i received this crap from my jw mom today.

i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .

you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.

SnakesInTheTower

jackie....

sadly my mom calls less and less.... she gets upset for various reasons.....a) in her eyes I am living "in sin".... she wants us to get married...we want that too but other issues outside of our control interfere,.... it will happen soon...on our terms, not anyone elses....she is happy I am getting married....she would be happier if I was marrying a dub... (see my stories about how well looking in the Borg for a spouse worked out for me)

b) I was the only one of three of her sons that got baptized...she was so proud in 2002 when I graduated from MTS....she made sure to be here for that...it will be interesting to see if she comes home in May for my graduation from college.....she promised....

c) she has no one to talk about "spiritual" things....sadly....the last few years I was in she and I spent more time complaining about various atrocities and injustices perpetrated against us by other JWs... and only limited time discussing WT related articles and meetings.

My mom left this town before it completely ruined her.... she moved to where she knew almost no one.... now she has been uprooted again...and her only "friends" are local dubs.... and those are very conditional... I never hear about her doing social things with "the friends".... just out in service...usually with the marginalized and the elderly.

As to sending her the Generation chart....I hope she takes it at face value...I sent her the one with only WT references...the "JW friendly" version...if she really still studies deeply maybe she will see the evolution of the whole Generation doctrine....if not, she will glance over it and then toss it aside. Most JWs will look at that chart and their eyes will glaze over.

I love my mom.... I miss her...she lives too far away...... but I wont let her interfere with my relationship with Toni..... and I will pass on your greetings...she is asleep on the couch right now ....Hunter is in his room watching tv...thus the only reason I have much time on the board....dishes are done...laundry is done...one bed is made I have another to finish...kid had his bath.... it is reasonably quiet...

thanks for the feedback...keep it coming...I need it...this is tough to deal with...

Snakes (Rich )

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Whatever happened to the poster named V?

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.

anyone know what ever became of v?

thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .

SnakesInTheTower

I get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the YouTube channel hasnt been visited by V in 8 months and it was April when V was here last?

Anyone know what ever became of V? Or can you say?

Thanks for the update....PM me if you would rather not post on the public board...

Snakes (Rich )

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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i received this crap from my jw mom today.

i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .

you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.

SnakesInTheTower

lm:

Im sorry you had to receive that Snakes - I instantly delete that crap too unless a family member sneaks one in

that's ok...I just sent her that Generation teachings chart that was posted elsewhere..fair, right?....lol

Snakes (Rich )

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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i received this crap from my jw mom today.

i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .

you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.

SnakesInTheTower

I am not sure what to say back to her. It wont be in an email. I prefer in person or if that is not possible on the phone.

I was going to call her today but now that she has sent that I dont want to call her. I dont want her thinking that I am calling because she sent it...nor do I want to argue with her about it.

So more time will go by. Maybe she will call. Or maybe I will call and not bring it up. If she brings it up, I think I like what OTWO said: "Yes, everyone was getting burned in the organization and those that left on their own cooled off. But as soon as they return, they will be burned again."

oh well, it is what it is. If it had come from anyone other than my mother, I would simply have deleted it and ignored it.

Snakes (Rich )