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  What is it like to be an elder???

  by confliction in

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  i'm not 18 yet, so i've never had the chance to become one (thank god), but what kind of things do you learn as an elder that are... different from being a regular jw or basically someone without "priveleges"?.

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  for example, what stuff do you hear, what books do you get, what kind of things did you see, etc..

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  SnakesInTheTower

  I am trying to forget my 5 years as an elder (2001-2006, with a 10 month break in 2002).

  However, I will never forget what one elder told me when I was still a wet-behind-the-ears-newly-appointed-ministerial servant back in 1986:

  "Rich, be glad you are not an elder. Once you become an elder, you can never walk in to the KH and look at people the same way ever. You know who hates who, who has done what to/with whom, you know all the business and gossip of everyone. Ignorance is bliss."

  Was he ever right. As to the books and things...the elder book (at least the ks91 edition) is on the internet as a PDF...some even have "elder notes" which are the real "juicy" stuff that WT would never publish in a copyrighted book but will transmit as verbal heresay at elders meetings/schools for them to write in the 2 inch margins. MTS (Ministerial Training School) was that times 10. It was at MTS that I realized the utter bull$hit of the organization. Only took me another 5 years to leave it all.

  I am so glad I am not an elder or a JW anymore.

  Snakes (Rich )
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  New Books: The Origin of Life & Was Life Created?

  by ForbiddenFruit in

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  2. bible

  so family forced me into accepting the two new pro-creation books released at the convention.

  i haven't had a chance to read them properly yet, but i expect to be drilled to death by friends and family on how brilliant the book is.. anyway, i was wondering if anyone was working on a critical analysis?

  or could join me in putting together a list of flaws in the books?

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  I briefly checked out the table of contents of the PDF of one of the brochures someone posted a link for...

  ...I mentally checked out about 12.36 seconds into it. Deleted it from my desktop microseconds later.

  ...truly... I cannot be bothered to listen/read that WTSh*t anymore... LOL progress.

  ..I still enjoy perusing Blondie's comments, but only for her amazing memory and wit, not the witlessness of the WT articles themselves.

  ..my JW mom no longer discusses WT, or sadly anything else, with me these days...so no need to keep up...

  Snakes (Rich )
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  Another question about disfellowshiping

  by XPeterX in

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  if the elders decide to disfellowship someone and after being reinstated it is proved that he didn't commit the wrongdoing,what happens then?do the elders apologise to him?.

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  NO APOLOGY FROM GOD'S PERFECT CHANNEL

  I switched channels to real life.

  Back in 1991, I was judicially reproved for lying. Restrictions for a single month just so it could be called "judicial." The "restriction" was no public prayer at the KH.... in the congo I was in, that was no big deal, as we had such a large body of brothers, it could be a couple of months.....I was removed as an MS and regular pioneer. My 3 month temp bethel ap came through immediately afterwards.... and I was forced to turn it down (in retrospect, thank goodness...LOL) Really, it was to keep a couple of lying married pioneer sisters quiet after they had their MS husbands run to the CO about me. CO told the elders "you have a problem among your pioneers, take care of it or I will take care of YOU [elders]." I was the easiest "solution."

  A few months later, the CO did come and apologize to me PRIVATELY...off the record...they had indeed screwed up...I wasn't a liar after all....but they did not rescind the decision...and since it was "private" (aka "unannounced" reproof, except for my deletion), they figured no harm no foul....

  I was not allowed to be a pioneer for a year and a MS for several and I had to switch congos to get it. I found out years later that I had been up for appointment as an elder in the original congo, the kangaroo court derailed that for ten years before I could fight my way back. What a waste of a decade.

  I never received an apology from the elders. Where is the middle finger icon? I need it for Watchtower, et al. LOL

  Snakes (Rich )
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  Has anyone heard of the elders being called independent agents. Spoke to a brother in the Legal department and he called them that.

  by life is to short in

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  just wondering if anyone has ever heard of elders being referred to as independent agents before.

  i called the legal department and spoke to an older brother about the child molesters in my hall about a month ago.

  he did not want to speak to me because i am just a stupid sister but he did finally agree and that was one point he made.

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  I know one PO (COBOE) who is in his 80s, has a little money set aside.... needs to keep it protected...

  He once told me he has a million dollar umbrella liability policy. He had it when he was a car salesman. I think he kept it after that.

  Wonder if it would cover a lawsuit for his JW elder activities?

  Snakes (Rich )
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  Responding to personal questions

  by Lady Lee in

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  it has come to my attention that there have been numerous posts on the board asking posters personal questions like:.

  where do you live?are you male or female?do you know people from a certain congregation?do you know a certain district overseer or circuit overseer?do you know of certain conflicts in your congregation?post some pictures of where you liveif you are an active or fading jw ...?if you are an active elder ...?there are plenty of other personal type questions that can be used to narrow down who you are.

  some may seem quite innocent like the post pictures of where you live but if i post a picture of ottawa but don't want anyone to know i live in ottawa i have just told the internet world where i live.

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  Good reminders Lee... I am sure you mods don't have time to go and cleaning up everytime we regret posting something and our edit time has expired.

  In the beginning, I am sure I posted info that, if read in its entirety with other posts, would have outed me. Since then, I have publicly identified myself because I no longer care if I am DF/DA. But that was not always the case.

  And remember, anything posted on the public part of the board gets hit by Google bots within hours, sometimes minutes. I have posted, then did a Google search on key words from my post and up it pops. Try it with my post here...

  Presume that anything posted on the internet, public or private, is out there forever.

  Snakes (Rich )
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  Look what mommy brought home :)

  by troubled mind in

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  what a cool kitty... hope the allergies dont pose a problem. the animals will work it out....usually... lol

  we got a new kitten back around april 1.... my Resident Cat is not amused even now.... they alternate between fighting and playing.... when resident cat (who weighs 13.8 pounds) gets tired of little cat (probably not even 2 pounds), Max swats and hisses pretty good...but always keeps her claws retracted....

  my resident cat... Max (short for Maxine, named by the shelter) came from 5A's... (Alton Area Animal Aid Association www.fiveas.org )....I posted pics of max before... will have to post more of both of them soon... little cat (named Adventure by our 9YO...but renamed Beasty because...well...she is) came from a litter from my future MIL's house....

  Snakes (Rich )
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  Finally finding my way out...

  by cognac in

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  well, its been about 2 1/2 years and have slowly done less and less.

  i've been to about 30 minutes of a meeting in the last month and a half where i stayed out back and with my daughter.. i've been looking for the right timing to leave but had decided i will go anyways by the time my daughter is about 1 years old.

  but, it just so happens that my some members of my family including and mostly my parents have actually given me a good enough of an excuse to get out.. they have broken to many rules.

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  congrats cognac.... I wondered what has been happening with you...

  freedom is sweet.

  Snakes (Rich )
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  NGENZINI and The Music of Goodbye (Out of Africa)

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  i thought it might be fun to interpolate a traditional african chant (ngenzini) with john barry's love theme from out of africa (the music of goodbye).. .

  here is my arrangement.. enjoy!.

  [if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>normal</w:view> <w:zoom>0</w:zoom> <w:donotoptimizeforbrowser /> </w:worddocument> </xml><![endif]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1595587/barryesques/the%20music%20of%20goodbye.mp3.

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  SnakesInTheTower

  Nice... I like it... I downloaded the MP3 to listen to again...... and it reminds me I havent heard that soundtrack from that movie in a long time. I have the cassette but no longer have a player that works. I will have to order it from Amazon on CD. Made my day with nice music.

  Snakes (Rich )
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  MP3s !!! 2010-2011 DC TALKS

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  commentary on mp3s: (in addition to circulate as you see fit!).

  in light of the wts's recent attempts to conceal it's talks from broader inspection and documentation, mp3s to the public are now mostly the works of the 'conscious class' and those exjws who force themselves to endure hours upon hours of control-laced presentations.

  kudos to all those who embody anonymous.

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  A, uh, belated introduction

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  quick bio: born-in, third gen jw, devout family, dad an elder/po, mom pioneered off/on, baptized at age 10 (my elder dad asked me to wait but i didnt), had overall good childhood, toured bethel, aux pio off/on, finished hs early, reg pio for a year then pio school, met amazing jw girl (also third gen devout), spent a year in community college (paid for by fairly conservative jw parents), got a good job, married amazing jw girl, appointed as ms, delivered public talks and parts on ca/dc, wife and i had first child.

  it was a near-storybook jw life (except no bethel).

  i had a couple of normal issues in teenage years, but sought the assistance from the elders and ironed it out.

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  SnakesInTheTower

  welcome cheezits....excellent telling of your story. My JW mom, who is 66 and has been dub since 1970, will not hear anything about questions about the Org. She just keeps repeating the mantra: "I know its not perfect. We have the Truth®. Where else will we go? Jehovah is still God. The light gets brighter and brighter." **gag**

  Q. How do you fight that kind of cult mentality?

  A. You don't. They have to figure it out and want to find out something different.

  Snakes (Rich )