Paul Illingworth was my MTS instructor in 2002. I genuinely liked him and I think he tried to get me out of my bad congregation. Lost track of him. I left the Borg in 2007, so I no longer have the access to the heavies that I used to.
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Where are they now? - Paul Illingworth
by Black Man inanyone know whatever happened to former do paul illingworth?
he was teaching mts school for many years, but heard that he got out of the do work (before they got rid of the arrangement).
he was super intelligent and one of the "nicer" company men that i came across during my time in the borg.
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All It Takes Is ONE!
by John Aquila inive been reading all these posts about bethelites and special pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves..
and im trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.
what if my wife and i both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. and what if we were very faithful in listening to everything the organization says.
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I know of many couples around my JW mom's age (72) that are childless and worked stupid non-career jobs to "do more" in the Org. One in particular just lost her husband (who spent time in prison as a conscientious objector in the U.S. because of the JWs) after a surgery that at first seemed fine but then died a couple of days later, right after the Memorial. They had already been forced to move from their tiny house (rent or owned? dunno) because of poor health, but at least they had their cats at the house. When they moved into subsidized senior housing, the deposit and increased rent for even one of the cats was too much. They had to give away those they could and put down (i.e., kill) the older/sicker ones.
Now she has no cats, no husband, limited income, and a decreasing number of friends still in the Witnesses. Many have died, moved away, or even just left. Just sad. I wonder what happens to my JW mom when her non-JW husband (my stepfather, whose health is poor) dies? Hope her non-JW husband was smart enough to sock money away, because my mom has none.
Personal responsibility I agree. But when one is outright lied to by others (elders, GB, allegedly God) one trusts, some of that responsibility is shifted to the liars. But only the one lied to is left holding the bag, not the liars.
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Blurring of genders
by Saltheart Foamfollower inas sometimes happens at elders meetings with the co, he has a letter from the branch to read out.
this rarely is made available later so any policies have to be acted on from memory.
this visit a letter was read about blurring of the genders and in particular brothers dressing in a metrosexual style - tight clothing was mentioned again.
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The GB points one collective bony finger at the masses while four fingers point accusingly back at themselves.
As we used to say when we were kids: "He who smelt it, dealt it."
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1975 all over again!!!
by John Aquila inwt study edition jan. 2015.
here is the bait:.
as the number of kingdom proclaimers increases and as we near the end of this system of things, there is an urgent need for more facilities.
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I wonder if the fella with 17 employees sold the business, kept it with someone else running it, or closed up shop and said to his employees "see ya, gonna go serve Jehober now. Go, be warm and well fed." And how do the commuters pay for their own expenses if they "serve" at walkill full time?
I did 3 weeks at brooklyn and 4 in walkill as a temp. Except for the beauty of upstate NY in October, it was a fu$king waste of time.
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Litter-A-Trash Carts
by Calebs Airplane inis this the reason they call them litter-a-trash carts?.
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I've only seen one of those trash carts. Drove by a JW couple manning one. Absolutely NO ONE else was even paying them any attention. It was on a dental school campus on the public portion of the sidewalk. They appear so inconsequencial.
On a similar note, while on covering a route at work I was in a medical office building in a low income area. In the lobby on a table were current (October) WT and Asleep rags. Out of morbid curiosity, but in the interest of time, I quickly flipped through these thin excuses for magazines. Were they always written as if writing to children? I tossed them in a trash can, usually I shred them and recycle. No recycle bins in the 'hood, and I didn't want that crap in my car 《《shudder》》
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TV.JW.ORG (September 2015): Serving Single - Do not use JW dating sites!
by Designer Stubble inaround the 39:00 minute mark the focus shifts to a single sister who cannot find a mate.
at the 42:30 minute mark she states "i cannot believe it crossed my mind...to look on jw dating sites".
guess a new unwritten rule is added to the many oral traditions of these pharisees.
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And now the google ads have switched from Forex trading (not sure what topic that came up in), to ads about dating.lol
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Hi Snowbird!!! Long time no see.
Snakes (Rich)
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Sinquefield chess cup 2015
by bohm inround two to begin in 1 minute.
anyone watching?
predictions: caruna-carlsen: super dry game, draw.
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Funny i live near ...35 min...from the st louis chess club, interesting place and exhibits, i forgot about the sinquefield cup going on. Makes me want to play chess
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Exposing one's identity. When?
by kairos ini've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.
( "reaching out", so to speak ).
i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.
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"Next"? LOL, ummm they will report back to the COBOE and he will call the CO, the CO will call Service Dept. and/or Legal at WT Corp. If Legal Dept. opinion prevails, the local elders will be told to back off because of the cops. Service Dept. will advise a "Marking Talk" be given as a Local Needs part, and your family will be persona non grata, but no DF. Some will shun, some won't. You want a clean break? DA letter and/or move. Or, do as I did, several well placed implied threats and gossip spread the word... and the locals don't bother ol' eccentric Brother Snakes. LOL
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Can You Really Become Inactive Instead of DA'ing and Keep Your Family
by truth-or-consequences inoz branch coordinator terrence o'brien opined a number of times at about 1:00:00 until about 1:15:00 of his testimony, that a dub does not need to da, they can become "inactive.".
i sent our beloved angus stewart my personal experience, as well as observations about official borg teachings.
(he replied in short order.).
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I have been "inactive" since 07, but I consider myself no longer a dub. I was recently invited by my last JW friend to his wedding. As it was at a banquet center not a kh, my wife and I went. An elder gave the awful InfoTalk Ceremony. Normally bad, this elder rambled terribly. Another elder, the former PO, now 88, quietly whispered in my ear about coming back and coming by to see me....and bring the Return booklet. That was Aug 2, still waiting. Other than my friend who got married (he was best man at my non-JW wedding), no other JW "friends" contact me. My JW mom still talks to me, but rarely calls.
So no..Snakes ain't DA/DF, but I am as good as dead to them all, push comes to shove.
Snakes