Posts by SnakesInTheTower

23

What new cuts might be coming

by pepperheart in

what new cuts might be coming for the watchtower ?.

SnakesInTheTower

Pay toilets in KHs, AHs, branches.

Snakesinthetower ( )

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Has Anyone Ever Outed You For Being “Apostate”?

by minimus in

jw
friends

either here on this site or by a congregation member?

?.

SnakesInTheTower

I was an elduh that sat in on a JC for a socalled apostate....he was an active member here at one time.

The "evidence" against him did not come from this forum as far as I recall. It was emails between him and another dub. She turned him in. He could not have been identified, but he wanted the showdown.

It WAS entertaining. I left not long after. The full story is on the forum somewhere.

Snakes

26

Same Talks Again and Again

by Akid48 in

hey i’m back i know it’s been a long time since i’ve posted on the form but a lot things have been happening so i haven’t had much time to post.. ive been 14 for awhile now makes me happy because i’m getting closer to being able to get a job and work my way out of this.. i have meetings on saturdays now which is horrible because i rather have it on sunday because it’s already a sad day because i got to go to school the next day.three of our public talks have had different brothers saying the same thing talking about the signs of the end days.the thing that gets me is when they always try and bank on the earthquake part i mean i’m really into science so i already knew a lot about plate tectonics sea floor spreading etc but you get taught this in school.with plates always moving divergent convergent transform etc there will be earthquakes it’s the effect of plates moving against or rubing on each or going back into the mantle(subduction zones) it happens.so when there’s a report in japan of a lot of earthquakes it must be the end times!no japan is located on four plates it’s going to experience big earthquakes.. i don’t know that just gets under my skins when they try and say it’s the end days because of the earth having natural things happen like plate tectonics is something that’s been happening recently no we might have gotten our hands on the technology to spot earthquakes recently but this has been happening for millions of years.. speaking of years i hope you all have a great 2019 and i’ll definitely post more of my thoughts this year..

SnakesInTheTower

Wish I knew what you know at 14 when I was 14. I was almost 17 when I got dunked.

Took me until age 40 to get out.

I am 52 now, still trying to dig myself out of the financial hole caused by wasting my prime earning, learning, and investing years.

Do yourself a favor Akid: Time is on your side. Ride out the JW $hit until you are 18, don't get dunked. Take advantage of any educational opportunities now. Stay out of debt, especially student loans. Invest now. Compound interest and dividend reinvestment along with regular automatic savings will mean a REAL life when you are 52.

Good luck.

Snakes (Rich)

58

Library now cleared out

by UnshackleTheChains in

well, it looks like the axe has finally fallen on our kh library.

during a deep clean of the local kh, a brother suddenly informed everyone 'whikst cleaning' that all the old books including bound volumes of the watchtower etc was to be chucked in the skip.. from what i heard, some were taken aback by this and quite annoyed that no announcement was made; that no one was given the choice of taking some of these books home to keep.

i mean the entire collection of studies in the scriptures and others that go back an entire century.

SnakesInTheTower

I saved many books when they were purging back in the 90s and 2000s. I used to have an extensive collection. I have since sold or given away for cost of shipping all but a couple of bibles that have sentimental value (ie, my dad's mini black bible).

I love physical books and newspapers. They cannot be altered. Digital or copies can always be called into question.

Soon, the whole JW cult will wither into oblivion.... just not soon enough to get my 75 year old mom with 48 years of dub out.

Snakes

24

New rules for child sexual abuse?

by formerministerial in

a european jehovah's witness, who served in an important branch, has sent me the following rumor.. some serious sources are mentioned.

it clearly shake my perspective of what is going to happen in the coming months.. i'm totally shocked !.

the law firm managing all the interests of the wt has studied the problem in europe on data protection and actions on files and protocols of child abuse.

SnakesInTheTower

About 9 years ago, my then girlfriend, now wife, told me there were two men in a car parked on the street wstching the house. They inquired of her about if she was living there, asking nosy questions. She referred them to me.

I asked them if they wanted the 411 on what was up. They said they did. I advised them to look up 1 Thessalonians 4:11 in the NWT.

11 Make it your aim to live quietlym and to mind your own businessn and to work with your hands,o just as we instructed you,

After they did that, I advised them that if they caused me any problems, made trouble for my JW mom living out of state, I would make their ministry impossible. Also, if they announced my name in any way, I would sue them individually and collectively for slander. Haven't heard from them yellow bellied hounders since.

They avoid my house like the plague.

Snakes (of the "not bothered by hounders" Sheep Class)

10

AI Data Mining Of Discussion Groups?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

what do you think will ai learn a lot from discussion groups?.

SnakesInTheTower

Kind of like that girl in California who claimed to do multiple test from a single drop of blood.

Great idea, except it was a scam. Her "Edison" box did not work. But when she put on the dog n pony for investors, she put the drop of blood in the machine and sent everyone results later.....turns out she tested on a regular machine with regular techs behind the scenes....no magic at all. Now she is likely goin to jail.

Lots of BS scams out there.

Hell, FB and Google scare me enough.

Snakes

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Do elders still ask inactive members to write a letter to disassociating yourself from the Congregation?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

do today's elders ever meet with inactive members and pressure them to write a letter disassociating themselves from the congregation stating that, ''you no longer wish to a jehovah witness"?.

i was baptized at the young age of 16. after turning 18, i stopped attending meetings, field service, and all jehovah's witness activities.

i wanted to be with my high school friends, go to rock concerts, have a girlfriend, and live like a normal teen.

SnakesInTheTower

Exactly, they can and do apparently.

Snakes

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JW's will NOT like the first months of life in the Paradise! (University Research)

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

have you ever wondered (when you were an active believer) what life would be like immediately after the big a?.

in my experience of the pre-big a spiritual paradise most witnesses were aware of the problem posed by the dead bodies of those slain by the bloody minded, would-be mass murderer jesus.

most liked to quote the author of the revelation, that carrion birds would eat the carcasses.

SnakesInTheTower

I remember reading about that experiment and seeing the video. Ghastly.

Also, since education was discouraged or forbidden, who would know how to rebuild infrastructure or organize logistics or do anything with only 8 million JW scattered over a planet that once held billions?

Talk about trying to herd cats.

Snakes

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Do elders still ask inactive members to write a letter to disassociating yourself from the Congregation?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

do today's elders ever meet with inactive members and pressure them to write a letter disassociating themselves from the congregation stating that, ''you no longer wish to a jehovah witness"?.

i was baptized at the young age of 16. after turning 18, i stopped attending meetings, field service, and all jehovah's witness activities.

i wanted to be with my high school friends, go to rock concerts, have a girlfriend, and live like a normal teen.

SnakesInTheTower

A couple of things.

In 2002, I attended MTS, Ministerial Training School. Both instructors were long time DOs. One served a stint on the Service Desk. Here is what they said regarding this matter:

WT policy on DA is to accept a letter, but try to get in person verification. A notorized letter is gold, but rarely given. This is especially true when a letter is received out of the blue. If verification cannot be had by in person or by phone witnessed by 2 elders, then any DA announcement would be held in abeyance pending Branch direction. If the person insisted, then after 7 days the announcement would be made.

As the manual posted earlier stated, if a JC was in process, that would end but would be put in the local file along with the notification to the Branch about the DA. If the person came back, then the original JC matter would be reopened.

We as a class were told never request a letter. NEVER. I can also tell you each of us elders in the class knew of individual elders or bodies of elders who disregarded official policy and indeed did solicit DA letters because the wanted the individual gone. The instructors also knew of this happening and said it was against policy.

I sat on a JC of an apostasy case, which I have discussed on this forum (ironically, someone who used to post here). There were elders who wanted this guy gone, he was considered a troublemaker. Too much thinking on his part. Cooler heads prevailed, CO got involved, made the entire body sit on his JC case. Voted to DF, unanimously. It was a loyalty test. Then the appeals committee met with all of us and upheld it. That is what this fellow wanted, he challenged the system, knowing the outcome. He did not DA.

By action or letter, you can be DA. Officially you cannot be pressured into a DA. Unofficially, that $hit happened all the time.

Snakes (Rich)

28

"Are you the plumber?"

by Jourles in

i've been debating whether or not to post this story simply because the org knows who i am (post history from pre-'05 will tell you all you need to know), and i'm not sure if they would give my parents shit if they knew what transpired earlier this summer.

but you know what, i don't care what they do, because my mom is dying of stage iv cancer and i feel this needs to be heard by anyone struggling with the loss of contact from their relatives.. for those who are not familiar with my background, i became a small thorn in the side of the wts while i was still in.

i'm not big on being deceived, and for me, the org crossed my personal 'red line' when it came to blood and the child abuse issue.

SnakesInTheTower

Good for you, please see your mom again. What a beautiful picture.

Fairfield sounded familiar. My youngest brother, (also named Josh) not a JW, lived Iowa City, not far away. Cult ruined him as a child. I think one of my friends who grew up JW but no longer is a dub lives in Fairfield. Ketra (was a JW) and Greg (never a JW, but I was in HS with him). Maybe you crossed paths.

Seems like one of my fellow MTS classmates was from that area. **shrugs**....side notes....squirrel....

Hugs to you, good son you are.

Snakes (Rich)