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  Are You "Technically" Still A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

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  even if you don't regard yourself as a practicing jw, some may view you simply as inactive, a lost sheep, etc.. if you were baptized but not disfellowshipped or disassociated, you may still be a jw---right?

  your thoughts please..

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  FusionTheism

  Never baptized.
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  WT answer to the question: Who made Jehovah's dwelling place?

  by NCC-1701 in

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  2. beliefs

  before i pose my question, please correct me if my understanding on any of these points on wt beliefs are incorrect.. 1. jehovah god alone has existed from eternity.

  he used no pre-existent material to form anything.. 2. jehovah has a literal dwelling place, albeit not made from anything from,and not contained within, creation itself.

  3. jehovah god, alone, created jesus at some point before the creation of everything else.

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  FusionTheism

  I don't know the Society's official stance on this, but in the 1990's and early 2000's, I heard some JW elders give these answers before:

  1: Jehovah created the spiritual Heavens out of the same "holy spirit energy" material (or out of nothing) that He used to create everything else. Before this, there was just God, nothing else.

  2: Somehow Heaven (the spirit realm) is eternal just like God is eternal.

  3: God lives in outer space but deep, deep, deeply beyond anywhere that we can ever discover.
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  Big Logical Problem for New JW Beliefs

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is a huge logical problem for the newer jw doctrines and beliefs:.

  watchtower, august 1, 2010, page 22:.

  so although jehovah does not promise that every individual will receive exactly the same opportunity, he does make sure that an opportunity is held out to all honesthearted ones.

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  FusionTheism

  There is a huge logical problem for the newer JW doctrines and beliefs:

  Watchtower, August 1, 2010, Page 22:

  So although Jehovah does not promise that every individual will receive exactly the same opportunity, he does make sure that an opportunity is held out to all honesthearted ones. He will even make sure that those who have never had the occasion to learn about him will be given an opportunityby means of a resurrection to life in a righteous new world.—Acts 24:15.

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  But, they still refer to the preaching work as "urgent" and "lifesaving." But why is the preaching work urgent or lifesaving if Jehovah would never eternally destroy any honest-hearted person?

  David Splane even brought this point up in his new "1900 years" video on tv.jw.org. He said people at Bethel must not get the idea that the preaching work is not urgent, even though we know Jehovah won't allow honest-hearted ones to be destroyed.

  
  
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  New David Splane Video: No 1900 Year Faithful Slave

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  governing body member david splane has a new video on tv.jw.org where he talks about all the horrible things committed by martin luther and the protestant reformers.. his conclusion is that there has been no faithful and discreet slave on the earth during the past 1900 years (before 1919 i guess.).

  he also says that maybe there were a few anointed on earth, maybe not.. he did add an interesting statement that he doesn't condemn the other churches just for misunderstanding the bible because the society has done that.. another odd point, was that he actually mentioned catholic missionary work in a somewhat positive light, while totally condemning the reformation views on predestination..

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  FusionTheism

  Also, another comment by David Splane was that people at Bethel must not start getting the idea that since we know Jehovah wouldn't allow a good-hearted person to be destroyed, that there is no urgency to our preaching work.

  He likened that to the Predestination beliefs of the Reformers.

  But, if you think really deeply and logically about this:....

  If it is JW theology that Jehovah will not abandon any truly good-hearted person, then what is the urgency to the preaching work?

  I suppose it would just mean that Jehovah would have many FEWER evangelizers to use to reach the good-hearted people, and thus it would make the preaching work much more difficult and exhausting for those FEW.
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  New David Splane Video: No 1900 Year Faithful Slave

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  governing body member david splane has a new video on tv.jw.org where he talks about all the horrible things committed by martin luther and the protestant reformers.. his conclusion is that there has been no faithful and discreet slave on the earth during the past 1900 years (before 1919 i guess.).

  he also says that maybe there were a few anointed on earth, maybe not.. he did add an interesting statement that he doesn't condemn the other churches just for misunderstanding the bible because the society has done that.. another odd point, was that he actually mentioned catholic missionary work in a somewhat positive light, while totally condemning the reformation views on predestination..

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  FusionTheism

  Thank you Blondie and WiFi for showing all of their old incorrect views on this.

  I'm wondering which direction they will decide to go after releasing this video?

  It COULD be the first step toward a much more moderate view of the other churches, saying that they may simply be "misunderstanding the Bible," and thus could possibly be forgiven by Jehovah.

  Also, it seems very much like David Splane is the man in charge of looking at all of their old doctrine and "fixing it," since he also gave the big New Light talk about the Types and Antitypes.
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  New David Splane Video: No 1900 Year Faithful Slave

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  governing body member david splane has a new video on tv.jw.org where he talks about all the horrible things committed by martin luther and the protestant reformers.. his conclusion is that there has been no faithful and discreet slave on the earth during the past 1900 years (before 1919 i guess.).

  he also says that maybe there were a few anointed on earth, maybe not.. he did add an interesting statement that he doesn't condemn the other churches just for misunderstanding the bible because the society has done that.. another odd point, was that he actually mentioned catholic missionary work in a somewhat positive light, while totally condemning the reformation views on predestination..

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  FusionTheism

  I suppose David Splane's new video would tie in good with the 2008 Generation belief and the new view that the selection of the anointed did not end in 1935.

  By saying now that there may not have been anointed on earth during the past 1900 years before 1919, that gives a basis they can use for explaining why the number of anointed is increasing now: They'll just say God is filling up the spots that remained empty over those 1900 years.

  In addition, if they are going back to the 2008 view on "This Generation," that means they'll say Jesus promised their would be anointed on earth until 70 C.E. but not afterward.

  And the secondary fulfillment is that Jesus promised there would be anointed on earth from 1914 until the End.
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  New David Splane Video: No 1900 Year Faithful Slave

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  governing body member david splane has a new video on tv.jw.org where he talks about all the horrible things committed by martin luther and the protestant reformers.. his conclusion is that there has been no faithful and discreet slave on the earth during the past 1900 years (before 1919 i guess.).

  he also says that maybe there were a few anointed on earth, maybe not.. he did add an interesting statement that he doesn't condemn the other churches just for misunderstanding the bible because the society has done that.. another odd point, was that he actually mentioned catholic missionary work in a somewhat positive light, while totally condemning the reformation views on predestination..

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  FusionTheism

  Governing Body member David Splane has a new video on tv.jw.org where he talks about all the horrible things committed by Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformers.

  His conclusion is that there has been NO Faithful and Discreet Slave on the earth during the past 1900 years (before 1919 I guess.)

  He also says that maybe there were a few anointed on earth, maybe not.

  He did add an interesting statement that he doesn't condemn the other churches just for misunderstanding the Bible because the Society has done that.

  Another odd point, was that he actually mentioned Catholic missionary work in a somewhat positive light, while totally condemning the Reformation views on Predestination.
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  Ignorant Atheist Talk Show Host Destroyed by Agnostic Dr. Bart Erhman! Topic "Did Jesus and Paul exist?"

  by MagicMItchJensen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want you to see how fake people are who pretend their open-minded, dr. erhman try's to reason with someone whose mind is totally made up.

  the topic is whether there was a man named jesus and paul, the infidel atheist get's owned because he shows his true colors!.

  1. when would you tell this fool he stupid or willfully ignoring the facts?.

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  FusionTheism

  A person could make a very good blog post out of all the regurgitated outdated claims made by atheists in this thread.

  I think I'm gonna do that.
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  Schoolyard bully mentality

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm not naming names, but i just want to encourage people on here or on reddit or twitter, and tell you that you do not have to tolerate people who act like schoolyard bullies in the way they speak to you online.

  i think anonymity is a big part of it.

  they feel like there is zero accountability so they can be a bully all they want.. i recommend just ignoring or blocking anyone who is verbally abusive or treats you like schoolyard bullies treated you.. life is way too short to spend any time dealing with those kinds of people..

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  FusionTheism

  nicolaou,

  You said:

  FT, the forum doesn't need this. Grow a thicker skin and understand the heat that a forum full of cult survivors can generate. If you don't like it do as the aforementioned poster did - successfully I might add - leave and start your own site.

  You are telling me, a fellow cult survivor, to get thicker skin and to expect, and put up with, and just accept bad treatment from a "cult support group,"? Otherwise I must be shunned, ridiculed, or banished to another website?

  In what universe does that make sense?

  Sounds waaaaaay too much like Disfellowshipping.
  
  
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  Schoolyard bully mentality

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm not naming names, but i just want to encourage people on here or on reddit or twitter, and tell you that you do not have to tolerate people who act like schoolyard bullies in the way they speak to you online.

  i think anonymity is a big part of it.

  they feel like there is zero accountability so they can be a bully all they want.. i recommend just ignoring or blocking anyone who is verbally abusive or treats you like schoolyard bullies treated you.. life is way too short to spend any time dealing with those kinds of people..

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  FusionTheism

  DJS,

  Let me see if I understand you right:

  You're saying that I, as a moderate Christian, should have EXPECTED to be bullied on a website that proclaims itself to be "friendly and tolerant?"

  Isn't that the exact same attitude as people who say that women who "dress like sluts" can EXPECT or DESERVE to be raped?