How does that matter Richard??? There are elders who are employed by watchtower who have and are abusing children. Regardless of setting and wages, elders are employed by watchtower to direct the congregation. Even congregant members are considered as preachers. Even FAQ on jw.borg claims all congregants are preachers including women, therfore even a publisher should be under the same scrutiny. If a Preacher publisher is a pedophile, that pedophile is employed by watchtower to represent them. Justice McClellan stated quite harshly that watchtower will not squirm out of it because they merely don't pay a wage or because some of the offenders were only publishers. He knows the jw structure. And don't think the Australian royal commission has no power that nothing can be done, the Australian government is watching very carefully at organisations who don't comply.. There will be changes and if Jehovahs witnesses don't comply they will be punished. This horrid cult should be recognised for what it is and that is that's a high control group that causes distress and denies basic human rights to its congregants, something that should not happen in Australia. Leaving a religion should never entail such harsh Consequences. The shunning policy ls the biggest hurtful policy that causes distress to child abuse victims because they are threatened if they talk against the organisation, many are afraid to seek compensation because they may be branded as an apostate and going against The organisation and consequently will be disfellowshipped. I know many who keep quiet because they can't bear losing their families. Now that's control and no organisation has the right to do that.
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Uniting Church apologises to victims of sexual abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses defend treatment
by NikL inapologies if this has been posted already.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-10/uniting-church-in-australia-apologises-to-victims/8344496.
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What do you think the Australian Government will do?
by Richard Oliver ini am not wanting to start a fight.
i just want to hear what people think.
honestly and realistically, what do you think the australian government will do, with watchtower, when they receive the full arc report?.
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Ruby nick xenophon isn't interested in banning any religious movement, but he is trying to get the charitable status and tax exemptions to have tougher requirements which he can do.
How does this become like Russia? Jehovahs witnesses will still be able to freely preach and congregate, they just won't be recognised as a charity. We know that they never were a charity anyway.
Stripping a organisation that is not a charity of their charity status is not the same as banning a religion.
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What do you think the Australian Government will do?
by Richard Oliver ini am not wanting to start a fight.
i just want to hear what people think.
honestly and realistically, what do you think the australian government will do, with watchtower, when they receive the full arc report?.
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Senator nick xenophon is trying to get changes to the charitable status and tax exemptions on organisations that use captive methods and punish ex members, Jehovahs witnesses fall into this category. They won't be banned but they Will most likely lose all tax exemptions and charitable status. That my friend is fantastic if this happens.
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Some apostates are coming across as crazed psychopaths
by jambon1 ini'm not sure whether or not my view on this is correct so please leave your input.
in recent months i've been viewing youtube videos.
again, it might just be my view but there has been an increased amount of random people grabbing a camera and doing vlogs.
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Not only are there some crazy ex jw's but also a few crazy never been jw's who are now attacking the jw carts in a craze and youtubing it. Kat kraze is one of newest crazies. Check out his latest homosexual hate video. Such a loony. This is why I am happy to be free from religion.
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Williams sister got engaged to some guy from Reddit
by wozza inso is he a witness or if not what are gb going to do about it since she identifies with the watchtower society?.
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Wozza, they aren't even unbaptized publishers. They only occasionally go to the kh. They are merely the daughters of a jw mother. There is no hypocrisy in this situation. What do you want watchtower to do with these non jw girls who only attend occasional meetings with their mum? It's like my kids would be penalised just because they occasionally go to a meeting with us or grandparents but are not baptised.
Watchtower does not claim them as Jehovahs witnesses. 😉
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Question.
by phats inhi, is there a scripture saying it's okay to beat your wife with a stick no thicker than a mans thumb or is this a myth?
i remember something & have done some serching but need help.
phats.
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Not in the Bible but most definately in the Quran :
Qur'an 4:34 (Shakir)—Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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Williams sister got engaged to some guy from Reddit
by wozza inso is he a witness or if not what are gb going to do about it since she identifies with the watchtower society?.
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Jwdaughter you can't be dissasociated if you were never baptised 😉. Shunning not mandated by the society for unbaptized individuals it is only mandated for those who are baptised, whether idiot members want to shunn unbaptized individuals that is of their own volition.
The Williams sisters are not Jehovahs witnesses and if you were unbaptized you were never technically a jehovahs witness. Unfortunately people like myself were duped into the dunk and we are the ones to suffer the policy mandate of shunning.
We must stick to the truth of the matter and the truth is the watchtower Tract society does not mandate shunning of unbaptized members, it is not listed in the policies nor is it publicly encouraged.
There was a period in the 80s that watchtower did practice shunning of unbaptized Jehovahs witnesses if they walked away but that was reversed. Maybe you were in that category, but it's no longer a practice and it hasn't been in almost 30 years.
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Williams sister got engaged to some guy from Reddit
by wozza inso is he a witness or if not what are gb going to do about it since she identifies with the watchtower society?.
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She is not baptised. It annoys me when ex Jehovahs witnesses go on about why she gets away with things, it's pure and simple. She is not a jw! She is not baptised and does not need to adhere to the cults policies and will not suffer the repercussions that us baptised jw's will experience. What Is unfortunate is that she aligns herself with the Jehovahs witnesses making witnesses look more normal to the outside world not realising she is not a member of this mad cult, she is guilty of giving the cult a false look. Regardless she is free and does not have to have her life ruined unlike us who took the dip.
She knows that being a baptised jw would of killed her career. Deep down she must know it's a crock of shit. Maybe she praises Jehovah for her tennis winnings to please her mother?
Point is she is not a jw, just some one who has family affiliated with them.
I am glad she has the freedom and life we all would of wanted for ourselves which we could of had of if we were not dipped.
Cheers
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OK who threw the stink bomb in here?
by Thisismein1972 income on a believer, everyone knows it was you so own up to it and teacher will not be cross!.
this is exactly what seems to be happening, a believer runs in drops the stink bomb and runs out again...only to pear around the door when he/she deems it safe to do so.
😅😅😅.
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A BELIEVER you have made claims like jwfacts.com are full of lies yet don't expand on what those lies are? Can you please divulge? I have studied that site and I haven't found any misinformation. I have been a jw for 40 years and have allowed myself to think critically and independently and what I found out was that the watchtower Tract society was the one guilty of lying.
Such lies include :
"The generation that saw 1914 will not pass away "
The affiliation with the United nations which I personally contacted the u.n. The one lying was watchtower, there was no need to join the u.n to obtain a library card prior to 9/11
watchtower has lied in their publications about the true expectations of 1914.
It has also purposely misquoted many scholars in which they have had to retract them.
You claim we are to far gone? Why? because we left a religion? some have become atheist or agnostic or wiccans? Why make such a claim.and assuming that your religion is the one true one out of millions of beliefs? Facts are all belief systems are based on faith and not facts or truth. The only true facts are scientifically proven. Would you take a dangerous medication without the science backing and proving it's use? Science gives the facts and proof, faith is only a belief that can't be scientifically proven. I am agnostic leaning towards paganism, I don't claim my belief's are the only truth, it's a belief. We all can have different beliefs that does not mean we are all far gone, that's just how you have been brainwashed to believe.
I also find you to be ingenious. You claim you have studied other religions with in a 2 week period. You have studied in depth the millions of other belief systems in that period?
A BELIEVER you have come on this site to basically berate us and preach to us to go back to your belief system of the Jehovah"s witnesses, you have also thrown around some very big lies to make your cult look better than the reality eg" you can just leave and you won't be shunned" which is a bold face lie..... Being inactive makes you still subject to their rules and resigning by dissasociating has the same repercussions as a disfellowshipped person. There is no way to leave with out being subjected to shunning. many on here come on here to get away from people like you, you represent the evilness in their life. I don't mean you as a person but you as a mindcontrol cult drone. The very cult you represent has caused such horrid heartache, parents have lost their children, children have lost their parents through shunning, then we have cult drones like you come here and claim that:
It is deserved because either the shunned one sinned, and that only unrepentant ones are shunned or that we can just leave and won't be shunned.
This is not true, and this is victim blaming and you are partially lying.
I also suggest if you don't like us posting jwfacts.com links on your posts maybe you shouldn't be on a obvious apostate site 😉.
Cheers 🍻
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Shunning
by A Believer inyou guys do know that if you just leave and never go back you wont be disfellowshiped right?
i know people who have done exactly this.
you have to commit a sin and you or someone else has to tell a elder.
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Out of curiosity A believer what is not true on the jwfacts.com site. Can you please elaborate instead of making empty accusations can you back up your claim that jwfacts.com has many lies? What are they? And prove it. Thanks