C'mon, Jgnat: I was REALLY looking forward to YOUR thoughts- not to someone else's links!
Mad (Crazy,Insane,Loony,etc.)
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Avid'biblereader' wrote: "2 Tim 2:23-26 23 Further, turn down foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing they produce fights. 24 But a slave of the Lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all, qualified to teach, keeping himself restrained under evil, 25 instructing with mildness those not favorably disposed; as perhaps God may give them repentance leading to an accurate knowledge of truth, 26 and they may come back to their proper senses out from the snare of the Devil, seeing that they have been caught alive by him for the will of that one.
It really isnt worth fighting about words, but look beyond Witness Theology and to the Bible, you will what Paul was saying it is the Christ.
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Mad: Thank you- but no search is required! You were at least right, referring to Paul:
2 Cor 10:-4> (KJV) For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; 5- Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
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Avidbiblereader wrote:"Dear Mad, I was a witness for 22 years and the Good News that the Witness teach is a Kingdom Goverment not the Good News according to the Bible In reading the Bible one will notice the Good News is the fact that Christ died for us and not a goverment, so according to the scriptures which are inspired Jehovah through the HS directed by Christ says we should not be so easily shaken by what others preach and really let the one teaching another Good News be accursed, The Good News is the Christ and his sacrifical death in our behalf, it is a free gift of life through the blood of Christ, it is the law of the Christ and not a goverment that is constantly being reinforced in the minds of the listeners and preachers of the goverments sub rulers. The Good News is the Christ.
Mad: 22 years, and you can't remember what Christ said!
Matthew 24:14 (King James Version) 14- And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Not "the Gospel of my death & resurrection"- but the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM ! <<<<<<<< SEE the word "Kingdom", Avid?
This Good News INCLUDES how & why he died- which is no longer "news" except for those that hear about the Bible for the very first time!
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Onthewayout wrote:"The dubs are just leaving it with the coupon and grocery flyers at doors and laundromats. I would expect so much more from
God's representatives. If they knew they had the truth, costs at this late date would be irrelevant. They tried to tell people via the door-to-door work, but that no longer works. They could either do it the Bible way, at the marketplace and in the synagogues (and modern-day churches) or they could do it with television, radio, billboards. Even if they can't see the costs justified, it's lifesaving work and God will bless them for it (assuming the Good News is what the WTS prints).Mad- I love sarcasm, and much of the funny cuts - but not Stupidity! We try it all; TV and radio never seemed to do much- we tried those too. Please save your childish & lame insults for...nah! Don't even save them; if you can't say something that's true- why not keep silent?
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Nobody in the First Century went from house-to-house, systematically contacting
everyone with the Good News.Mad- I'd look up the scriptures to correct you- but it WOULDN'T correct you! Try READING the Bible; you'll LEARN something.
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That's the WTS misapplication/misinterpretation of
scriptures, and it's not wrong to do it, but it's wrong to say that's the way God
commands his people to spread the Good News. If you make the argument that it is
God's way to spread Good News, then why is it done through leaflets left on the doorstep?
Be bold witnesses- be persecuted for His name- get arrested and proclaim that name in
courts and before powerful political people. Stop sneaking up to doors, and running away.Mad- We are NOT "commanded" to go door-to-door. We do it because we WANT to; that is the model Christ left to follow. And we ARE persecuted for His name-and get arrested and proclaim that name in
courts and before powerful political people.Mad
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Stoic wrote:
1) a) are not the JWs just Russelites with a name change.
Mad- NO. Russel was just one of a group forming who were realizing something "fishy" about church doctrine.
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b) are not the doctrines Pastor Russel espoused are at the core of the JWs (144000, the quiet second coming, 1914, ransom etc.)
Mad- "Espoused"? Yes, in that he saw that not all Christians were to rule with Christ (Heaven), and, looking into Greek, saw that the word "coming" was NOT "coming" but a "being Alongside, a Presence (sp?tired), and Ransom- I thought that was one of the few things we believe that the churches do; have I missed something there?
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c) i thought the JWs recognise him as a prophet
Mad- No, altho sometimes the WT writers get awful CLOSE to saying that!
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4) a) Was not the Devine Plan of the Ages published and republished after his death by the Watchtower, bible and tract society and considered (at least at the time) divinely inspired? Or at least inspired by spirits (possibly an angry drink like bourbon :) The light can get brighter but can it change colour. Do JWs now burn all their books before 1975 as apostate or can we still reference them? Which make me ask are you really sure you are not a russelite?
Mad- Maybe they used to think that- I don't know. Mormonitus? All I know is we don't NOW! Only the apostates seem to reference them; we well know how many erroneous beliefs we had then- why we still celebrated X-Mas! HooHooHoHoHa! So every once in a while there is a quote used from one of those books to show we were BEGINNING to understand many hidden (by churches) Bible truths. And, yes, I'm SURE I'm not a Russelite, a Watchtowerite, a GoverningBodyite, a Popeite, also!
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Admittedly there is no more organised door-to-door preaching work than the JWs. They truely are the Avon of Christianity....
Mad- wel at least you didn't compare us to Amway! By the way- except for a few Mormon kids on bikes- we are the ONLY ones preaching from door-to-door. Some churches TRY to get their laity to- - never works out!
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and both at least use to believe in pyramid schemes:)
Mad- Vicious, Stoic! I LIKE that!
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But does the bible specify that the Good News would be preached door-to-door and then the end will come? I would argue (guess) that mediums such as the christian TV channels reach more people.
Mad- Ouch! That's the absolutely POOREST arguement I've heard in a long time! I TRY to listen to the so-called "Christian" channels- but the sheer phoniness- and ESPECIALLY the horrible things they say is too much; it's worse than listening to a politician!
Jesus SAID the good news would be preached earthwide- then the End would come. (Matt 24:14) He trained all his followers to preach by going door to door- completely contrary to the world religions were they had their "churches" people came to!
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Tophat wrote:"Dear Mad, Christ may be directing the work BUT NOT to a book and tract publishing company called the watchtower. The watchtower publishing company wants to be the one adored and bowed down to on hands and knees as though "IT" is the way to salvation. Christ is the way may I remind you. NOT any ONE religion."
Mad- Then why haven't you ANSWERED THE QUESTION? And do you REALLY think -as the Church billboards used to say- that the different churches are all different roads leading to heaven? Christ used the same illustration...a little differently (Matt 7:13,14), remember?
All these so-called 'Christians' running around, saying the Magic Words "I have accepted Jesus as my Personal Savior- nothing else is needed!"...and they just don't LISTEN to our Lord!!!
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RWC wrote: "Until the time of the REformation, the only Christian church in existence was the Catholic Church. Christianity spread throughout the world directly because of the Catholic Church. Unless of course you do not believe that the Christian church existed before the JWs came along. "
Mad- Now that you ASKED, I believe there have always been Christians down thru the centuries, never really organized- and CERTAINLY not the Catholic Church! To call them Christian is like calling Hitler a Pacifist! You need to study up on Catholic History, my friend! I never did, when I was a Catholic- and was APPALLED beyond words when I did!
I guess that's one of the many reasons why the goofy things my organization does sometimes does not bother me to the point of giving up on "Gathering Together" in Christ's Name!!!
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THIS was the Christian Church?????????????????????????????????
HooHooHoHoHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! If it WAS, no WONDER people cling to Evolution!
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How did the "Truth" set YOU free ?
by JH inthe bible says that the truth will liberate you or set you free.. the watchtower applies this to their religion as if their "truth" sets people free.. if that's the case, how were you set free when you became a jw?.
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Poppers-"From Mad:
I have run into many that chuckle at the nonsense I occaisionally find when prophecies are discussed, and they confide that they are looking at it as I do; silly imaginations.
What happens when those "silly imaginations" are made known to the body of elders? Just asking... Once, a person DARED me to, I did, and the elder said nothing- opened the Bible to the passge that proved the point that was contrary to the GB view- and winked! I don't make a practice of that because I don't rely on Elders to do my thinking, and it won't really accomplish anything! Mad
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How did the "Truth" set YOU free ?
by JH inthe bible says that the truth will liberate you or set you free.. the watchtower applies this to their religion as if their "truth" sets people free.. if that's the case, how were you set free when you became a jw?.
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Confession-"Mad, your comments are perfectly typical of those JWs who are either mentally captivated for life, or are in the beginning stages of waking up. I'll ask you to make a careful and honest comparison of 1) the admonition given to the various congregations in the book of Revelation, and 2) the type of control the WTS takes with JWs. If you accept John's being divinely inspired to provide the comments he did to those congregations, you will see that there was no human institution meting out punishment to them, threatening them.Your comment about 'waiting for a perfect brotherhood' is also a common thought. The organization not only teaches they are the only providers of "Truth" at this time--but they convince you that there must be one human organization through which God is communicating to humans. This is wrong. I'd direct you to Tom Cabeen's "Does God Work Through an Organization" for some insight on this.It's funny how the organization has somehow convinced you (as they did me) that "Christianity" has something to do with these concepts you present. We come away with the idea that the test of "Christianity" has something to do with the support of governments, and the "correct" understanding of doctrines like the Trinity, hellfire and immortality of the soul. You simply cannot read the Greek scriptures and come away with these things as at all being what Christianity is about."
Mad- WOW! They have convinced me of only of the True God, His Som & His Word- and I always look for flaws there, too!
Do I have to KEEP quoting Jesus words! HE is the one who said WHERE 2 OR 3 ARE GATHERED IN MY NAME- THERE I WILL BE ALSO. HE is the one that told them to work together to encourage , help, and preach. HE is the one that said it would be done worldwide!
So, taking your stand- JWs are not True Christians, either- HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
Catholics? Baptists?Muslims?Hari Krisna? Hindus? Mormons? I've examined SO many, and the only term that fits has the initials "BS".
That must mean that individuals- all understanding the same thing are doing this! Or Christ, too, was a phony.
Noone but JWs come to the door proclaiming the Kingdom of God. Christ was NOT a phony....
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How did the "Truth" set YOU free ?
by JH inthe bible says that the truth will liberate you or set you free.. the watchtower applies this to their religion as if their "truth" sets people free.. if that's the case, how were you set free when you became a jw?.
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Rafe-The problem is Mad that while those truths are wonderful, the fact is the the Witnesses did not come up with any of them.
Mad-Lost me- what "them" do you refer to?