421. ARGUMENT FROM ACCEPTANCE SPEECHES
(1) First of all, I'd like to thank my lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
(2) [shout out to all my homies in the balcony]
(3) I couldn't have done this without Jesus.
(4) Therefore, God exists.
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Yet more proofs of God's existence- When will the non-believers get it?
by nvrgnbk inhundreds of irrefutable proofs for god's existence.... http://www.godlessgeeks.com/links/godproof.htm.
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To all those that are seriously thinking about going back to JWism...
by nvrgnbk inmaybe you should.. apparently the reasons some had for leaving had nothing to do with truth or reality or what's factual.. some left because they got discouraged or were offended or felt slighted.. if that's why you left- an unkind word, not being invited to some social function, nepotism in the hierarchy, being overlooked for privileges, annoying personalities, etc.- you're in a very unsettled place.. you'll soon discover that people that aren't jehovah's witnesses can be unkind, lack hospitality, show favortism, and be obnoxious.. then what?.
you'll go crawling back?.
if on the other hand you left because you realize that the extraordinary claims made by the religion are completely without support, you may occasionally miss friends and family lost and reminisce about some random happy memories experienced but most likely never feel tempted to return.. the jw religion, like most any other religion, is full of people that want to be told what to do and what to think.. it's easier that way.. thinking can be exhausting.
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I think we're essentially saying the same thing, lfcviking.
I'm not referring to a point-by-point or "technical" analysis of 607 or the finer points of Koine Greek when I say the religion is not founded in truth.
The feelings you experienced, that eventually pushed you to a point of having to leave, are all associated with your subconscious mind trying to tell you that something was wrong with it. It wasn't real. It wasn't true. It wasn't logical. It was all a waste of time.
there are plenty of individuals in the org who like to do the telling what to do and what to think.
True enough.
But independent thinking of any kind is quickly crushed.
They may like the artificial authority they've been given, but they must toe the party line to keep it.
but for some individuals the reasons for leaving are more complicated than simply realising the errors in the organisation's teachings & practices.
The reasons for leaving are as unique as the individuals that left.
There is no "right" or "wrong" reason for leaving.
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Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(
by reniaa ini've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!
i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.
they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".
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Jehovah wants you back, reniaa.
I know because the Bible Teach book tells me so.
I hope the two of you are very happy together.
Just remember, he'll give you no money.
He'll send you no flowers.
No weekends away.
He'll never make you dinner.
And forget about any tender loving.
But piss him off, and he'll pulverize you.
Best of success to you and Jehovah.
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To all those that are seriously thinking about going back to JWism...
by nvrgnbk inmaybe you should.. apparently the reasons some had for leaving had nothing to do with truth or reality or what's factual.. some left because they got discouraged or were offended or felt slighted.. if that's why you left- an unkind word, not being invited to some social function, nepotism in the hierarchy, being overlooked for privileges, annoying personalities, etc.- you're in a very unsettled place.. you'll soon discover that people that aren't jehovah's witnesses can be unkind, lack hospitality, show favortism, and be obnoxious.. then what?.
you'll go crawling back?.
if on the other hand you left because you realize that the extraordinary claims made by the religion are completely without support, you may occasionally miss friends and family lost and reminisce about some random happy memories experienced but most likely never feel tempted to return.. the jw religion, like most any other religion, is full of people that want to be told what to do and what to think.. it's easier that way.. thinking can be exhausting.
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I have a feeling lots
and lots of witnesses are doing this.....going through the motions without the emotions and just keeping their mouths
shut and using it like a social club.
Exactly.
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To all those that are seriously thinking about going back to JWism...
by nvrgnbk inmaybe you should.. apparently the reasons some had for leaving had nothing to do with truth or reality or what's factual.. some left because they got discouraged or were offended or felt slighted.. if that's why you left- an unkind word, not being invited to some social function, nepotism in the hierarchy, being overlooked for privileges, annoying personalities, etc.- you're in a very unsettled place.. you'll soon discover that people that aren't jehovah's witnesses can be unkind, lack hospitality, show favortism, and be obnoxious.. then what?.
you'll go crawling back?.
if on the other hand you left because you realize that the extraordinary claims made by the religion are completely without support, you may occasionally miss friends and family lost and reminisce about some random happy memories experienced but most likely never feel tempted to return.. the jw religion, like most any other religion, is full of people that want to be told what to do and what to think.. it's easier that way.. thinking can be exhausting.
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To say that people like myself are not self-determined and actualized individuals because our trajectory after leaving the JWs has been different from yours is downright arrogant and offensive.
Ouch!
Where did I say that?
You totally missed the point, Burn.
Though I disagree with your thoughts on many matters I have great respect for you for having convictions and being true to them.
I deeply regret that you misunderstood the intent of my post.
Respectfully,
Nate
You have issues.
I know that's true.
I'll have worked through them by the time I'm dead.
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To all those that are seriously thinking about going back to JWism...
by nvrgnbk inmaybe you should.. apparently the reasons some had for leaving had nothing to do with truth or reality or what's factual.. some left because they got discouraged or were offended or felt slighted.. if that's why you left- an unkind word, not being invited to some social function, nepotism in the hierarchy, being overlooked for privileges, annoying personalities, etc.- you're in a very unsettled place.. you'll soon discover that people that aren't jehovah's witnesses can be unkind, lack hospitality, show favortism, and be obnoxious.. then what?.
you'll go crawling back?.
if on the other hand you left because you realize that the extraordinary claims made by the religion are completely without support, you may occasionally miss friends and family lost and reminisce about some random happy memories experienced but most likely never feel tempted to return.. the jw religion, like most any other religion, is full of people that want to be told what to do and what to think.. it's easier that way.. thinking can be exhausting.
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maybe you should.
Apparently the reasons some had for leaving had nothing to do with truth or reality or what's factual.
Some left because they got discouraged or were offended or felt slighted.
If that's why you left- an unkind word, not being invited to some social function, nepotism in the hierarchy, being overlooked for privileges, annoying personalities, etc.- you're in a very unsettled place.
You'll soon discover that people that aren't Jehovah's Witnesses can be unkind, lack hospitality, show favortism, and be obnoxious.
Then what?
You'll go crawling back?
If on the other hand you left because you realize that the extraordinary claims made by the religion are completely without support, you may occasionally miss friends and family lost and reminisce about some random happy memories experienced but most likely never feel tempted to return.
The JW religion, like most any other religion, is full of people that want to be told what to do and what to think.
It's easier that way.
Thinking can be exhausting.
If you want all the decisions made for you, a cult is a pretty good place to be.
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Yet more proofs of God's existence- When will the non-believers get it?
by nvrgnbk inhundreds of irrefutable proofs for god's existence.... http://www.godlessgeeks.com/links/godproof.htm.
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You gotta love Burn's tenacity.
Or is it ferocity?
The burden of proof lies on those making extraordinary claims.
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Yet more proofs of God's existence- When will the non-believers get it?
by nvrgnbk inhundreds of irrefutable proofs for god's existence.... http://www.godlessgeeks.com/links/godproof.htm.
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JCanon's favorite...
290. ARGUMENT FROM REVELATION
(1) God told me that he exists.
(2) God wouldn't lie.
(3) Therefore, God exists. -
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Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(
by reniaa ini've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!
i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.
they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".
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Go back if you like, reniaa.
Reality can be overwhelming.
Delusions are comforting.
If you're looking for comfort and find reality a bit too harsh, I suppose the JW brand of delusion is about like any other brand.
Best of success to you.
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Yet more proofs of God's existence- When will the non-believers get it?
by nvrgnbk inhundreds of irrefutable proofs for god's existence.... http://www.godlessgeeks.com/links/godproof.htm.
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144. ARGUMENT FROM MASS MURDER
(1) Stalin was an Atheist.
(2) He murdered millions of people.
(3) Therefore, God exists.To quote PrimateDave,
Where have I heard that one before?!?