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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

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  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  NVR - nice to see you are on good form.

  DB74

  PS: Sirona and I live together and you will note that we have the same scrambled IP

  Congrats once again on fatherhood, Gary.

  Good to hear from you.
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Trevor did seem to like presenting himself as two different women at the end of his JWD game.

  I guess that was part of his fantasy.

  Also, if he gets something out of being a woman, being a pregnant woman would really take it to another level entirely.

  But like I said, it's not important.
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Maybe they're both the most recent incarnations of Trevor?

  probably a stupid question but whose trevor?

  It's not important.

  May Jehovah bless you and keep you.
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Maybe they're both the most recent incarnations of Trevor?
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  How C.S. Lewis helped me to see Christianity for the joke that it is

  by nvrgnbk in

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  i read mere christianity.. .

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  I am a poached egg !

  
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  How C.S. Lewis helped me to see Christianity for the joke that it is

  by nvrgnbk in

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  I agree, BizzyBee.

  Lewis helped many to embrace Christianity and not feel so badly about it.

  He uses lots of words and stuff.
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  How C.S. Lewis helped me to see Christianity for the joke that it is

  by nvrgnbk in

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  Here's more...

  Now that is the first thing to get clear. What God begets is God; just
  as what man begets is man. What God creates is not God; just as what man
  makes is not man. That is why men are not Sons of God in the sense that
  Christ is. They may be like God in certain ways, but they are not things of
  the same kind. They are more like statues or pictures of God.
  A statue has the shape of a man but it is not alive. In the same way,
  man has (in a sense I am going to explain) the "shape" or likeness of God,
  but he has not got the kind of life God has. Let us take the first point
  (man's resemblance to God) first. Everything God has made has some likeness
  to Himself. Space is like Him in its hugeness: not that the greatness of
  space is the same kind of greatness as God's, but it is a sort of symbol of
  it, or a translation of it into non-spiritual terms. Matter is like God in
  having energy: though, again, of course, physical energy is a different kind
  of thing from the power of God. The vegetable world is like Him because it
  is alive, and He is the "living God." But life, in this biological sense, is
  not the same as the life there is in God: it is only a kind of symbol or
  shadow of it. When we come on to the animals, we find other kinds of
  resemblance in addition to biological life. The intense activity and
  fertility of the insects, for example, is a first dim resemblance to the
  unceasing activity and the creativeness of God. In the higher mammals we get
  the beginnings of instinctive affection. That is not the same thing as the
  love that exists in God: but it is like it-rather in the way that a picture
  drawn on a flat piece of paper can nevertheless be "like" a landscape. When
  we come to man, the highest of the animals, we get the completest
  resemblance to God which we know of. (There may be creatures in other worlds
  who are more like God than man is, but we do not know about them.) Man not
  only lives, but loves and reasons: biological life reaches its highest known
  level in him.

  What am I missing?

  I doubt that he was ever really a true atheist or agnostic.

  His every utterance is a crippled attempt to make Christianity fit reality.
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  How C.S. Lewis helped me to see Christianity for the joke that it is

  by nvrgnbk in

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  I'll leave it to your imagination as to how utterly crappy it was to have him as a Philosophy professor.
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  How C.S. Lewis helped me to see Christianity for the joke that it is

  by nvrgnbk in

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  i read mere christianity.. .

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  nvrgnbk

  As a foremost Christian apologist, I doubt that Lewis' intention was to portray Christianity as a joke.

  So could you expand on this, nvr?

  Aware of his title as foremost Christian apologist of our time, I read the book expecting a lot more than what I found.

  Here is a sample...

  And what did God do? First of all He left us conscience, the sense of
  right and wrong: and all through history there have been people trying (some
  of them very hard) to obey it. None of them ever quite succeeded. Secondly,
  He sent the human race what I call good dreams: I mean those queer stories
  scattered all through the heathen religions about a god who dies and comes
  to life again and, by his death, has somehow given new life to men. Thirdly,
  He selected one particular people and spent several centuries hammering into
  their heads the sort of God He was -that there was only one of Him and that
  He cared about right conduct. Those people were the Jews, and the Old
  Testament gives an account of the hammering process.
  Then comes the real shock. Among these Jews there suddenly turns up a
  man who goes about talking as if He was God. He claims to forgive sins. He
  says He has always existed. He says He is coming to judge the world at the
  end of time. Now let us get this clear. Among Pantheists, like the Indians,
  anyone might say that he was a part of God, or one with God: there would be
  nothing very odd about it. But this man, since He was a Jew, could not mean
  that kind of God. God, in their language, meant the Being outside the world
  Who had made it and was infinitely different from anything else. And when
  you have grasped that, you will see that what this man said was, quite
  simply, the most shocking thing that has ever been uttered by human lips.
  One part of the claim tends to slip past us unnoticed because we have
  heard it so often that we no longer see what it amounts to. I mean the claim
  to forgive sins: any sins. Now unless the speaker is God, this is really so
  preposterous as to be comic. We can all understand how a man forgives
  offences against himself. You tread on my toe and I forgive you, you steal
  my money and I forgive you. But what should we make of a man, himself
  unrobbed and untrodden on, who announced that he forgave you for treading on
  other men's toes and stealing other men's money? Asinine fatuity is the
  kindest description we should give of his conduct. Yet this is what Jesus
  did. He told people that their sins were forgiven, and never waited to
  consult all the other people whom their sins had undoubtedly injured. He
  unhesitatingly behaved as if He was the party chiefly concerned, the person
  chiefly offended in all offences. This makes sense only if He really was the
  God whose laws are broken and whose love is wounded in every sin. In the
  mouth of any speaker who is not God, these words would imply what I can only
  regard as a silliness and conceit unrivalled by any other character in
  history.
  Yet (and this is the strange, significant thing) even His enemies, when
  they read the Gospels, do not usually get the impression of silliness and
  conceit. Still less do unprejudiced readers. Christ says that He is "humble
  and meek" and we believe Him; not noticing that, if He were merely a man,
  humility and meekness are the very last characteristics we could attribute
  to some of His sayings.
  I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that
  people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral
  teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we
  must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus
  said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a
  level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the
  Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the
  Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a
  fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His
  feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising
  nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to
  us. He did not intend to.

  I sense that your tongue is in-cheek.

  Not at all.