nu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
Hello Abandoned my friend,
I hope all's well with Kerri.
You replied to Brother Mad Brother:
How can I learn, as you say, if you don't answer the question?
Don't expect too many answers from Mad. We all know he's here because he has questions of his own.
Hoping Mad finds whatever it is that he's looking for on an apostate website,
Nvr
i was talking to a friend yesterday whose sister and brother-in-law have been at bethel for three decades at least, working in important departments that put them in contact with the writing dept., gov.
body, etc.
on a daily basis.. this friend of mine has been a witness for half a century, and has been fading for the past 3-4 years.
Hello seeker4,
Thanks for the inside info.
These young GB members are actually MORE hardline and old school than some of the older GB members. He said not to expect any changes for the better from this group of brothers.
This is painfully obvious from recent developments and articles. Makes me think of the whole "you shouldn't even think of taking a pair of jeans with you to the DC" thing and other tightenings of the choke-hold.
Always appreciate reading your comments,
Nvr
watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.
"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?
" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.
THIS IS HUGE!
These brainwashing bastards make me sick. We were taught that living certain things, believing things taught, meant the difference of life and death. They start running out of time, start looking silly, they just change doctrins.
Every new literary bowel-movement from these guys just smells even worse than the previous. I can't believe what I'm reading.
I'm beginning to see the whole "revolving-door" thing in action. They throw this garbage out there knowing that thinking persons will have trouble swallowing and they really don't seem to care. They welcome it. Only the effectively brainwashed, a loyal core of drones remains.
Thanks JWD and all of you thinkers that make it up for helping to save my life,
Nvr(ever)gnbk
would you be comfortable knowing that your co-workers, neighbors and or friends could find out so much about you, how you thought, felt and believed on so many issues?
could you let others who don't really have a clue as to who you really are, come here and look you up?.
would you consider it a good start for someone who wished to get to know you, to start here?.
Hello prophecor,Thanks for the interesting topic.
Seems to me Ex-Jay Dubs have more in common with each other than Jay Dubs have with each other.
Hello Buddy- Great and 100% true!
I think this is easily explained. Quite simply, we're being true to ourselves for the first time in our lives.
We didn't even realize it while we we're in but we were conditioned on so many levels to say, think, and do things because it was expected of us rather than because we thought it made sense or really came from our heart. I'm by no means saying we were faking or insincere in what we did. We just did so many things without thinking it through the whole way. Now we can be real and express our true selves. I think because that's so new to most of us, we may find posting here a little more exhilirating than would a "normal" person posting on a "normal" discussion board.
Nvr
has anyone here seen this movie?
if there has already been mention of it, i'm sorry, i've been afk off and on quite a bit the last month or so and have missed a lot of threads.. this is one of those hard to categorize movies.
it's a fairy tale.
Thanks to all, esp. Mystla for starting this topic.
Been wanting to see it since I heard about it. Now it's definitely on my to-do list.Thanks for the reminder.
Nvr
or, is it completely out of the question, and you know for sure that this life is it, and there is nothing else after.. maybe you believe that there is a possibility of eternal life, but you don't qualify..
Ruby said:
So much of organized religion, worship, and seeking god can be catagorized by a fear of death. We're scared to die, and we're even more scared that there might be nothing more after that. As for me, I believe this is all I've got so it's my responsibility to make the most of it, to help others, and to happy not in selfishness or at the expense of others. I am scared to die, but now I fee joing a church or professing a belief in god would be dishonest, because I would only be doing so out of fear of dying, or going to hell for not believing in God.
Ditto.
I do know one thing. My occasional glances at suicide have almost stopped entirely upon learning about the ways things really are. I now believe that this life is probably all there is so such a permanent solution is just a little too "permanent" for my taste. I'm trying to live in the moment (tough to do when you've been programmed to postpone everything till the new system). I really enjoyed Crumpet's illustration about the party.
Party on boys and girls,
Nvr
i'm reading a book by roy strong entitled, "the arts in britain - a history" and i came across an interesting point (one of many, lol).
it states, 'what sets the 1640s and 1650s apart is this all-pervading sense that mankind was living in the last age of the world.
the apocalyptic atmosphere which was unleashed by the civil war in 1642 cut right across society and was to ebb and flow in intensity for two decades according to the turn of events and then, in 1660, with the return of the monarchy, plunge underground.
One thing for sure is known.....THAT ALL THAT HUMAN EFFORT AND WORRY AND DEVOTION AND CONTRIBUTION WAS WASTED TIME AND LIFE! ADD IT ALL UP AND WEEP FOR MANKIND FOOLED BY FALSE RELIGION!
Wow, anewme. You stated this so beautifully.
Thank you,
Nvr
i don't think i am an apostate, but do feel like one for being on these boards as we were always warned not to at the meetings etc.. i disagree with so many things they teach, the main thing is the blood issue....being a new auntie, i love my niece soooo much and if i were the only person that could save her, how on earth could i not?
i'd be blood guilty for not saving her!!!!!
that in my books, would be murder.. however, may be it's because i've only been away from the mtgs for a year, but i still think of it most days and although i feel i've made the right decision as nothing was making me happy in it, and obvioulsy my ex beating me and getting away with it.....i still feel a certain pull towards it and a kind of insane loyalty???.
Mad writes:Why thank you so MUCH, NVR! I never expected to receive such AGAPE on THIS board! I don't spend as much time here as I'd like- but it truly IS enjoyable, and puts my faith to the test! The only biblical use of the word "Apostasy" I can remeber, is a reference to those rebelling against Christ (and, by extension, his Father), so it's a word that is as abused a "Christian", in MY book; it has NOTHING to do with working against what you truly believe to be wrong! I DO have concerns about my brotherhood's HQ- but I don't 'harbor' them...unless I feel it would discourage rather than help! What I am "looking for"- and have found- is a religious 'Free-For-All", where we can all express doubts, fears, findings, opinions & feelings- and, hopefully, still remain Friends! Agape, your Brother- the Mad Brother!
Thanks for your kind reply. I knew you're not a troll. Troll's don't wear such cool sunglasses. What I personally found troubling about the brotherhood's HQ is that they unequivocally oppose the "religious 'Free-For-All", where we can all express doubts, fears, findings, opinions & feelings- and, hopefully, still remain Friends!" that you are enjoying here at JWD. That made me wonder, " If we have the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth why be concerned about "apostate" ramblings." The truth, if based solidly upon reality, should stand up against all argumentation. When householders hesitate to speak with us about religion we entreat them to join us in discussion. We say, "We respect that you have your beliefs, but surely no harm can come from simply discussing matters." Once dedicated and baptized, however, such discussion with persons who have discontinued their association with the brotherhood or simply disagree on some points with the brotherhood's HQ is strictly prohibited. Please take no offense personally Brother Mad, but this high-control tactic smacks of cultic behavior.
Sincerely pleased to converse freely and openly with you,
Nvr
i don't think i am an apostate, but do feel like one for being on these boards as we were always warned not to at the meetings etc.. i disagree with so many things they teach, the main thing is the blood issue....being a new auntie, i love my niece soooo much and if i were the only person that could save her, how on earth could i not?
i'd be blood guilty for not saving her!!!!!
that in my books, would be murder.. however, may be it's because i've only been away from the mtgs for a year, but i still think of it most days and although i feel i've made the right decision as nothing was making me happy in it, and obvioulsy my ex beating me and getting away with it.....i still feel a certain pull towards it and a kind of insane loyalty???.
Hello Brother Mad,
There you are! I've been looking for you. I find you to be a fascinating character. Your presence on this apostate discussion forum is very welcome. The very fact that you spend so much time here gives me hope that you may find some resolution to the doubts and concerns that you surely harbor regarding Jehovah's Witnesses.
Sincerely hoping that you find whatever it is you're looking for on an apostate website,
Love and respect,
Nvr
i'm reading a book by roy strong entitled, "the arts in britain - a history" and i came across an interesting point (one of many, lol).
it states, 'what sets the 1640s and 1650s apart is this all-pervading sense that mankind was living in the last age of the world.
the apocalyptic atmosphere which was unleashed by the civil war in 1642 cut right across society and was to ebb and flow in intensity for two decades according to the turn of events and then, in 1660, with the return of the monarchy, plunge underground.
| Apocalypses: Prophecies, Cults, and Millenial Beliefs Through the Ages | 27-Feb-07 17:12 | |
Post 41 of 280 since 19-Feb-07 | This book by Eugen Weber is very important. It dedicates only two or three paragraphs to J.W.s. For that very reason it's a good read for those who are undecided. It shows that the "unique" message of the organization is really nothing of the sort. P.S. I wasn't sure where to post this. | |
Great post cellist! The book described above is sure to interest you. It is very scholarly and speaks in a respectful tone about the hundreds, if not thousands of groups that have preached: THE END IS NEAR!
