Yes Burns, defending religion is bad... Just as the article says "Convinced that only the Bible offers "truth", they lose their intellectual curiosity and their ability to reason".
You can argue until you're blue in the face, but the Bible has been totally dis-proven as anything other than myth. So, instead of people in the US arguing how best to run this country, we have people who want to bring their religions into the public spectrum. That is very bad indeed, as this study shows, it harms society.
Do I think your talking snake in the Bible is absurd, two of a kind on a boat, that one man can die and cleanse us of our sins, or honesly just about anything the Bible says is nuts? Sure, that becasue I've actually read it with an open mind...
Notice what the report says about believers..."The result is a self-contained system that maintains an internal logic, no matter how absurd to outside observers".
I've read all of you believers the past year and a half on this site who defend the Christian religion; I always leave thinking that you guys have something blocking your mental abilities... I mean, anyone rational knows they can't prove even the existence of God, much less the Bible... But you guys actually think you're convincing.
Here's a gem for you believers, I know I can't either prove the existence nor non-existence of a deity.. I have no closed system of belief, if someone were to show me proof then I'd happily jump on board.
But believers think they do know what is unknowable, they ignore the religions of others and actually think their myth is the right one which causes unneeded conflict. Groups upon groups of nitwits, arguing something we as a species can't know is a waste of valuable time. Or worse yet, arguing what the Bible means when it says such and such... a waste!
If you don't believe this is true, then look at the conflict we're having today... I brought up a fact backed with research, it showed that religious societies fare worse than non... now we are arguing about something that's not knowable... what a waste of time.
I had a Japanese roommate in college, he absolutely wouldn't discuss God, he said it didn't matter. He excelled in everything he did because he didn't waste his time. You, and exjw4ever actually think what you're saying is rational, but how can it be when you are arguing for something that can't be proven? You have a "self contained system that maintains an internal logic".
Good thing is, people are starting to get it. I live around a group of young people, not one of them believes in a religion. The fastest growing group in this country is agnostic... your way is fading friend.... and this country will fare better when our numbers reach the same as other educationally advanced countries.
Maybe then this country will no longer think God is guiding it...will no longer try and stop valuable research such as stem cells... will no longer want to teach the likes of creationism. We are being left behind... and religion is the cause.
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by dawg insince no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in god.
i figured i'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
so, i thought i'd post it again here.
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Study shows more violence in religious societes
by dawg insince no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in god.
i figured i'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
so, i thought i'd post it again here.
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Also, listing a who's who of any subject is an appeal to authority fallacy... all of the great minds you listed could be.. no check that, are wrong about Christianity... the Bible, the book Christianity is based upon, has been disproved in each of the sciences you listed these great thinkers coming from.
I've known many a chemist that were both atheist and Christian alike... still, religious societies aren't as good socially as non religious, and that is what this subject is about. -
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Study shows more violence in religious societes
by dawg insince no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in god.
i figured i'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
so, i thought i'd post it again here.
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List of famous atheists....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists....None of which committed violence nor believed in the foolish Bible.
We aren't talking about lists here, we're talking about whether religion is good for mankind... you commented on something completely different than what's being discussed. -
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Study shows more violence in religious societes
by dawg insince no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in god.
i figured i'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
so, i thought i'd post it again here.
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Thank you Challenging for saying what I wanted to say, the religious always get the two mixed up... Believing in a political philosophy that used force isn't what I want either... i believe that both institutions will be eliminated one day by those of us that are pragmatic and non-violent.
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Study shows more violence in religious societes
by dawg insince no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in god.
i figured i'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
so, i thought i'd post it again here.
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Flying, I can paint all religions with this one factor, they harm society by telling adherents that it's OK to drop logic... Societies that do not do this (drop logic and just believe) fare better as the results of this study shows.
Does your religion teach that you must believe that Christ died for you to go to heaven?
Does the Church you go to tell you that you must have faith that this is true?
What is the basis of that faith? Is it logical?
My guess is no it isn't...As a matter of fact, I know it isn't. therefore they are harming you and the society you live in by telling you to just have faith that such a crazy story is true. Societies that have less of this influence fare better, the study shows this is true... did you even read the study?
My comments on homosexual hating sheepherders stands... just because your church isn't homophobic doesn't mean that the men that wrote the Bible didn't hate homosexuals.
Faith causes dissension because it has absolutely no logic backing it...you don't see Japan arguing about God like you see this country doing.. you don't hear the prime minister of Japan telling voters what church he goes to, there is no conflict about this matter because it freaking doesn't matter in the first place. It shouldn't in this country just the same. -
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Study shows more violence in religious societes
by dawg insince no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in god.
i figured i'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
so, i thought i'd post it again here.
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I know you are Challenging... but look at some of these comments...
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Study shows more violence in religious societes
by dawg insince no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in god.
i figured i'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
so, i thought i'd post it again here.
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You guys are way off base... you have no studies that show that these countries are depressed...
One of you even said this about Japan..."And they are still a very religious people"..
No they're not, the study showed that 90% of the Japanese didn't believe in God. Grasping at straws is all you're doing; religion makes people depressed since no one can live up to the standards of sheep herders that were homophobic loons..
Look, the studies prove what I was saying, and that's that religious countries produce worse societies than non religious. It said nothing about depression, nor reproduction, and it didn't even mention North Korea.
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Study shows more violence in religious societes
by dawg insince no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in god.
i figured i'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
so, i thought i'd post it again here.
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Since no one bothered to read in my last thread how secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in God. I figured I'd give those among us who are religious the benefit of the doubt that the post was lost in the haze of the argument.
So, I thought I'd post it again here.
http://humaniststudies.org/enews/index.html?id=219&article=7
This statement rings the most true as far as I'm concerned when talking to believers... "the result is a self-contained system that maintains an internal logic, no matter how absurd to outside observers".
I also found this statement interesting... "Convinced that only the Bible offers "truth", they lose their intellectual curiosity and their ability to reason. Their priority becomes not the world they live in but themselves".
Losing intellectual curiosity, that I see among the religious I talk to everyday.
Anyway, the point of my last thread is that religion hinders human growth on not only a personal level but culturally... -
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Report of Rutherford's death in San Diego paper
by startingover ini know i have seen a scan of this document.
can anyone direct me to it?.
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He died of ass cancer?
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My Guarantee........................
by Warlock ini guarantee you, if everyone in the united states were allowed to carry a gun on their hip, people would treat each other with alot more respect.. warlock .
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"Japanese culture is deeply religious, more so than even the United States. It is also highly syncretic"
You don't know what you're talking about....the Japanese are the least religious culture in the world, didn't you read that study I posted where it correlated religion with violence and mentioned the Japenese as the least religious?
No guns, less violence, no religion, less violence... the studies prove this as fact; show me a study that says otherwise