via "new light" of course.
would they truly follow it as scriptual bashing of evil ones forsaking their god jehovah, all this old light changing into new light makes one go hmmm........regards nojw
In previous centuries Catholics and Protestants generally justified burning each other at the stake by saying: "it may kill the body, but it purifies the soul. We're actually ensuring the person's eternal salvation."
No doubt JW's would say something similar: "we may be killing them now, but at least we give them the chance of a resurrection...."
It's the same mentality that is displayed in the area of shunning.
Expatbrit
this is sort of a connected subject to englishman's prior post.
it's a difficult subject, so i'm sorry if it upsets anyone.
but it's been on my mind for a few weeks.. i'm sure that for all of us wt "survivors" (thanks for that term, esmeralda), the idea of our funeral being used as a propagandistic sales pitch for the wt is repugnant.. but, for those of us whose family are still jw's, it's a very real possibility.
Seven: good for you. It's never too early to get your affairs in order.
Tina: really sorry to hear about your husband. My sympathies to you, and admiration for the strength you've shown.
Zazu: yes, it's just a matter of an amendment, to be discussed with the lawyer who did my original will. My wife is generally very level-headed. I don't think she would do something stupid like giving everything to the WT. But I wouldn't put it past the jackals to try and take advantage of her in the difficult circumstances. Doing this will be an additional safeguard.
Now, another suplemental question: obviously I will have to tell my wife what I'm doing. Therefore, there is a (small) chance that the thought-police could hear of it. How likely is it that they would use this as grounds to forcibly DA me?
I think that it would depend on whether they viewed me as an apostate or merely a spiritually weak (and therefore reclaimable) "one".
Expatbrit
when my son came home from the meeting, he told me that they were told not to listen to eminem because (in his words) he's bad.. i can not stomach the kind of censorship that is put upon people...aren't these things a personal choice or at least a parents choice.
by censoring everything they make a child go behind their parents back and close the line of communcation which could result in some real harm.
i listened to eminem with my son and whilst some of the things are very offensive it was quite clear to me that although he was talking in the first person, he was actually expressing what he thought societal problems were,(no one think bob marley actually son the sheriff do they??).
I have a slightly different view about eminem and his lyrics, as follows:
1) Eminem wants to make a lot of $$$$$.
2) To do that, he has to sell a lot of CD's.
3) To do that, he must have mucho publicity.
4) To get that, the easiest way is to be really controversial.
5) "Hey! Lets slag off gays and women. That'll get everyone talking!"
6) Eminem promptly makes lots of $$$$.
He probably doesn't even know what "societal ills" means ("maybe it's, like, when you puke after too much booze and ecstacy").
Expatbrit
this is sort of a connected subject to englishman's prior post.
it's a difficult subject, so i'm sorry if it upsets anyone.
but it's been on my mind for a few weeks.. i'm sure that for all of us wt "survivors" (thanks for that term, esmeralda), the idea of our funeral being used as a propagandistic sales pitch for the wt is repugnant.. but, for those of us whose family are still jw's, it's a very real possibility.
Thanks guys.
I'm expecting this to cost me. You know lawyers. Just think about them and a bill arrives in the mail!
I'll be doing the bookstore thing. The government here publishes quite a lot of material on the subject.
But has anyone here actually done this?
Mustang: After much consideration, I've decided not to sue you for the emotional trauma caused by reading your disclaimer.
Expatbrit
this is sort of a connected subject to englishman's prior post.
it's a difficult subject, so i'm sorry if it upsets anyone.
but it's been on my mind for a few weeks.. i'm sure that for all of us wt "survivors" (thanks for that term, esmeralda), the idea of our funeral being used as a propagandistic sales pitch for the wt is repugnant.. but, for those of us whose family are still jw's, it's a very real possibility.
This is sort of a connected subject to Englishman's prior post. It's a difficult subject, so I'm sorry if it upsets anyone. But it's been on my mind for a few weeks.
I'm sure that for all of us WT "survivors" (thanks for that term, Esmeralda), the idea of our funeral being used as a propagandistic sales pitch for the WT is repugnant.
But, for those of us whose family are still JW's, it's a very real possibility. If I were to die tomorrow, I am sure my family would insist upon the JW formulaic services, even if they knew I did not want to go out that way. It makes me sick to think of it.
In fact, I am considering amending my will to try and prevent that happening. This is a bit ironic, since my will currently includes the text of the blood card! My lawyer's certainly going to be curious!
I'm thinking of putting in paragraphs specifically forbidding a Kingdom Hall service, requiring a non-religious burial procedure, and forbidding any of my material goods from benefitting the grubby blood-stained hands of the WTS. This latter item may admittedly be difficult, since my wife will have control of my estate.
But, I'm just starting to think of how to do this, how to word the thing. In fact, I'm not even sure it would be legally binding, or enforceable.
Is there anyone here with some general legal knowledge who can give some basic guidelines before I spend copious cash in a conversation with my lawyer? If so, it's much appreciated.
Anyone else with ideas on wording: please feel free to chime in!
Expatbrit
dear all,.
i just had to tell you.. i'm at home, kids in bed, wife's out (girls night out) i'm watching liverpool on the telly (no score yet), just finished a curry, drinking lager, reading jw.com.
all at once.. perfect!.
Bigboi:
You eat it, then it smokes you.
Expatbrit
a few months ago, our old chum rick started a thread on h20 about what would happen to some apostates after armageddon.. according to his reasoning, jw apostates, that is to say persons who had only turned against the wtbts and not against jehovah, these ones would survive the great battle and then become personal slaves to the goody two-shoes dubs who sailed through armageddon with first-class honours.
apostate duties would include the renovating of fine stately homes such as sandringham or balmoral, so that all of the very fine fellows in watchtowerland could relax in comfort from their pre-geddon labours, and enjoy being waited on hand and foot by people such as, er well, you tell me!.
so, i was just wondering, if rick is right in what he says, whom would i like to be a slave to?
Englishman:
How could I have forgotten Claudia? Must be losing my marbles!
Expatbrit
a few months ago, our old chum rick started a thread on h20 about what would happen to some apostates after armageddon.. according to his reasoning, jw apostates, that is to say persons who had only turned against the wtbts and not against jehovah, these ones would survive the great battle and then become personal slaves to the goody two-shoes dubs who sailed through armageddon with first-class honours.
apostate duties would include the renovating of fine stately homes such as sandringham or balmoral, so that all of the very fine fellows in watchtowerland could relax in comfort from their pre-geddon labours, and enjoy being waited on hand and foot by people such as, er well, you tell me!.
so, i was just wondering, if rick is right in what he says, whom would i like to be a slave to?
Flowerpetal:
Ah yes, the classics. I remember the episode well.
Women are indeed the givers of pain and delight. Much more delight than pain, though. Even the pain is quite delightful, actually.
Expatbrit
a few months ago, our old chum rick started a thread on h20 about what would happen to some apostates after armageddon.. according to his reasoning, jw apostates, that is to say persons who had only turned against the wtbts and not against jehovah, these ones would survive the great battle and then become personal slaves to the goody two-shoes dubs who sailed through armageddon with first-class honours.
apostate duties would include the renovating of fine stately homes such as sandringham or balmoral, so that all of the very fine fellows in watchtowerland could relax in comfort from their pre-geddon labours, and enjoy being waited on hand and foot by people such as, er well, you tell me!.
so, i was just wondering, if rick is right in what he says, whom would i like to be a slave to?
Gianluca:
Throw in Cecilia Bartoli to me and it's a deal!
I'm also putting dibs on Brigitte Bardot and Isabelle Adjani
Expatbrit, humming the Marseillese at the keyboard
a few months ago, our old chum rick started a thread on h20 about what would happen to some apostates after armageddon.. according to his reasoning, jw apostates, that is to say persons who had only turned against the wtbts and not against jehovah, these ones would survive the great battle and then become personal slaves to the goody two-shoes dubs who sailed through armageddon with first-class honours.
apostate duties would include the renovating of fine stately homes such as sandringham or balmoral, so that all of the very fine fellows in watchtowerland could relax in comfort from their pre-geddon labours, and enjoy being waited on hand and foot by people such as, er well, you tell me!.
so, i was just wondering, if rick is right in what he says, whom would i like to be a slave to?
A can think of quite a few people I would be a willing slave to. Funnily enough, they're all women (in their reinvigorated new system youth). Sophia Loren springs to mind. Hedy Lamarr too.
Anyway, as far as I know there is absolutely no basis in any WT writings for JW's to believe in this new world slavery thing.
Gina Lollobrigida as well. Marilyn Monroe, Raquel Welch.....
Expatbrit, humming rule Brittania at the keyboard.
