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More Child Abuse Issues in today's Sunday Times

by snugglebunny in

there's several letters from readers published today.

there's also mention of another abuse - shunning.

i can't locate the letters on the sunday times website, can someone else have a go?

flipper

SNUGGLEBUNNY- Thanks for posting this. I can read your picture just fine. It's an important message that needs to get out. In the one article it states that there has been " 27 Jehovah's Witness child abuse convictions in the last 4 years in the U.K. ". And the United States number will be going up in the next few years as well. Word needs to get out about the WT Society's horrid child abuse policies. Good job

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A "body of elders" or really one main guy?

by Simon in

the wts promotes the idea of congregations being managed by a body or elders who all follow their rules and so are in full agreement with how things should be done.. was your hall like this?.

out hall was a constant battlefield for power between a couple of elders and their families - relatives that had been promoted to various positions.

it wasn't some hidden secret, it was blatant and obvious.

flipper

The 44 years from birth that I attended congregations until my exit at age 44 in 2003- I noticed many times, in fact most of the congregations I was in had one elder who dominated over the others. He'd be more outspoken and just kind of seize the power and the other elders kind of fell along like good little sheeple never questioning him. And that particular elder would be given more respect mainly due to his history of having either been in higher up positions such as fill-in Circuit Overseers or had served at Bethel, or had actually been a former Circuit Overseer. Or because he had a long history of giving Circuit or District assembly parts or talks.

My dad was City Overseer for over 30 years and people stumbled all over themselves to appease him. Many people actually walked in fear of my dad- because of his stern appearing, strict demeanor. I didn't walk in fear of my dad though- I saw through the veneer. He was as human as the next person. Made lots of mistakes and was very human- even lost his City Overseer slot and eldership for awhile.

It's probably one reason my dad and I don't get along even now that he's well into his 80's - he still treats my mom like a " lesser vessel " and not respectfully. I saw many elders who thought that they were legends in their own minds- and it showed how they dominated over their fellow elders. And for some of these " stars " it transferred into their home life towards their wives and children. Very sad

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

ON THE WAY OUT- Good points you bring out. It ISN"T the WT 's personal money to pay out. They've received most all of that money from JW contributions. And you are correct- I'm sure there are many stories that have been shared back and forth between higher ups as WT officials discuss child abuse cases they've heard that involve C.O.'s D.O.'s or other JW's in appointed positions. And what happens ? Many times these cases either get buried or go nowhere. At least NOT to the police where they should go.

TOES UP- They ARE hypocrites as you state. And yes, they do NOT want to open a Pandora's Box as that is exactly what will happen when they hand over the WT database file to courts. So WT leaders will continue to fight tooth and nail against doing this. That's what criminals do- try to outwit the justice system. WT will get theirs in the end though

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

VIDIOT- I agree- I think in time Karma is going to catch up with WT leaders. They can't hide forever. The skeletons are in the process of gradually spilling out of the closet and it doesn't smell good. Like a stinky skunk- something's rotten in Denmark.

SCARY 21- WT Society is really good at breaking their own rules- then making new " rules " up along the way to suit their financial goals. Very convenient. But criminal as well many times.

KANON- Interesting quote from Richard Ashe you provided. I was especially intrigued by this statement, " It is not wise for one to indiscriminately divulge ones past bad experiences to others in the congregation, nor to get together with others for what SOME view as group therapy . " Wow, just incredible. No, no need for child abuse victims to receive comfort in some kind of " group therapy " - right ? The arrogance and inhumane lack of empathy towards child abuse victims is outlandish and barbaric from WT leaders. To WT leaders it's more important to silence child abuse victims and put duct tape on their mouths so as to not expose WT Society liability. Just disgusting .

VIOLIAS- Good points you bring out. In time the WT Society is going to screw so many people out of their money- that a day of reckoning will come raining down on them in a big way- perhaps like you said Al Capone style. You can only criminally extort enough money out of so many victims and make money off of their misfortunes or being duped or deceived for so long. I'm glad you spoke your mind to the elders in the 1980's , your predictions are coming true- WT Society is being exposed more and more.

KARTER- Good points you make. The WT Society feels they have SO much authority over people- that they feel they can even dominate non-JW householders out in the territory ! If I was a non-JW father out living in my home with minor children- I would NOT want a former child molester or current child molester calling at my house ! I'd report it to child protection services or call the police IF I knew. But that's the problem - no non -JW parent knows WHO is calling at their door. A pedophile can act in secrecy due to the WT Society's secret child abuse policies and no one is ever informed who is a molester and who is not. Pretty sick stuff.

MISGUIDED- I'm so sorry that your children's grandfather tortured your ex-husbands family with committing these crimes against so many family victims. Just disgusting. Reading your post made me shiver it's so creepy. The criminality of the WT Society is so deeply imbedded within the WT organization that there are thousands of stories just like your children's grandfather where the sexual abuse lasted for years and 20 to 30 or more years goes by- without any justice or bringing the abuser to justice by being arrested for his crimes. WT organization IS a criminal organization. It's time for a day of reckoning. WT needs to be brought down for it's criminal activity.

DEFENDER of TRUTH- Thanks for the link to Barbara's website. If anybody can get the word out to the media- she can.

EYEUSE2BADUB- Wow. What a perfect example of how irresponsible the WT Society is in re-appointing these child molesters back to elder positions ! So this elder got used to give talks at District Conventions ? Incredible. And probably even though SOME JW's knew of his past child abuses he committed- I bet a lot of them did not. Amazing how the WT Society keeps appointing these child molesters and continues to shoot themselves in the foot. Well, the old expression " it takes one to know one " - probably lots of higher up WT child molesters so they feel if one more gets appointed as elder it's no big deal to their minds and viewpoint. It needs to continue being exposed that WT continues to appoint child molesters as elders. Keep the comments on this thread coming. Any OTHER experiences out there that you folks know of ? Thanks in advance for all of your comments

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

Been working for a few days out of town so thanks for all of your comments ! Some really great comments here by the way ! I'll answer page 3 responders after I respond to the last comment on page 2.

TRUTHSEEKERIAM- I agree with you about being upset that WT Society doesn't change their child abuse policies. It pisses me the hell off as well. I've got two JW daughters in their mid to late 20's who might start having children sometime soon- and as a potential grandfather- I feel VERY concerned that my grandchildren's safety will be endangered and minimized within that organization.

It's true that the WT Society is going to continue to deny, deny, deny this child abuse problem. And the reason ? In my opinion the reason the WT Society will NOT release documentation of child abuse problems to the courts is because there are many higher ups GB members and otherwise who are involved in child abuse or committing these crimes and if the Database file was produced in the courts - it would expose SO much child abuse at upper WT power levels that it would sink the WT corporation. So WT Society would rather pay out millions $$$ in lawsuits than to risk exposure of ALL their dirty child abuse laundry coming out.

As long as the GB and WT leaders have enough of the 8 million JW's donating estates, wills, money, life insurance policies, etc. to the WT pedophile fund - and as long as the WT Society keeps up it's land grab of all the kingdom halls on this planet- WT leaders probably feel they'll have enough incoming money to stay silent on what they REALLY know concerning WT child abuse within the Database files. It's disgusting, but it's how they justify it within their criminal minds. My 2 cents

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Cheers to all! I'm in the house now! Finally signed up.

by Lifeisfun in

hi readers and lurkers, .

i decided it was time to register to the site.

after all these years, it was just a matter of time.

flipper

LIFEISFUN- Nice to have you here welcome indeed ! We are here as a support to you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

by Half banana in

a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

flipper

" What is the Basis for Authority for the Governing Body " ?

Themselves. They give themselves the authority because they say they can. As Oubliette stated , " they seize the authority " - nobody gives it to them- they just take it. Narcissists do that because they are legends in their own minds

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I just recorded a new demo song, "What Is Freedom For?"

by Greybeard in

jw
friends

https://soundcloud.com/greggstevens/staring-at-the-sun-1.

flipper

GREYBEARD- Nice singing voice you have. Nice song as well. I agree with Cappytan if you can get with somebody that can take the hiss out of the recording with the studio situation you are recording in- that would be a good thing. Nice job. I like it ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

6Waqnted to bump this thread up if any had missed it or wanted to contribute comments concerning the important topic of WT Society hiding child abuse and appointing former child molesters as elders. Thanks for any and all thoughts

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Fading and not "outing" yourself, what are your thoughts on it?

by Brock Talon in

fading and not "outing" yourself.. what are your thoughts on it?.

i ask, because i just received a scathing personal message on facebook from a person who read my latest book and in it i describe myself as a fader.

i was not dfd and i did not da myself.

flipper

BROCK- You are an ex-Witness. I've always considered you an ex-Witness. I too am an ex-Witness. I just stopped attending over 11 years ago and my JW family knows I disagree with the WT Society. I agree with what Simon and what most everybody else is saying. It's nobody's business HOW you exit the JW organization. Don't let the bastards grind you down who criticize you. People will criticize us no matter what we do. The main thing is that you and those close to you are happy and sane now after exiting the difficult JW cult. And being happy and sane after being in that organization- is an accomplishment unto itself. I agree with you - for me - I didn't want to play by the WT rules and recognize any control they had over me, one reason I refused to get DFed or to disassociate. Just walked away on my own terms. I really admire you for writing your book. My wife and I enjoyed it immensely. It will help lots of people. Keep up the good work, Peace out, Mr. Flipper